Originally Posted By RoadTrip Yea, but WDW has: People Mover - Classic Carousel of Progress - Classic Space Mountain - Good Buzz - Mediocre Everything Else - Not so great. But does DL have anything to compare with two Classics?
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt I'd even add the Autopia, which was there on opening day and is equally as dull as the Peoplemover.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper ^^^Boo! I loved Autopia when I was in DL. So much more charming and interesting than WDW's ugly Speedway. DL's Tomorrowland needs more help than WDW's, no doubt. Captain EO should have never returned to any of the parks that it did, and Innoventions...well is Innoventions. The subs are TERRIBLE, but could be fixed by getting rid of Nemo. I wish they could get peoplemover back, but that's never going to happen.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt I agree with you about the Subs. Ugh. What a huge waste of money and effort bringing that attraction back.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom I think unique factor facing the MK's version of Tomorrowland, is it's historic vision of the future that is now over shadowed and blurred by all the futuristic rides/ attractions in the other WDW parks. Half of EPCOT has been dedicated upon EPCOT Center's inception to the future. There is no way MK's Tomorrowland can compete on a science fiction/ science fact basis with that. It would be like placing DL's Innovations right next to the Kennedy Space Center and comparing the two. So, given that fact. I'm going to have to disagree with many of the comparisons here. I like the direction the MK's version of Tomorrowland has taken. I believe what the MK management team is trying to achieve there is to entertain and educate families, especially those with younger children in a Scifiish surroundings. The rides/ attractions have shifted in that direction. Much to the chagrins of the older, repeat, traditional WDW patrons. Do I think a Star Wars themed ride/attraction belongs in the MK's Tomorrowland, no. But, I certainly can appreciate what is trying to be achieved in Tomorrowland. The only other comment I would add, is that is the MK wanted to improve upon Tomorrowland. The easiest and quickest way to do that would be to improve the food consessions in that area. Open the noodle shop full time in the Tomorrowland Terrace. Of all the lands in any of the WDW parks and resorts, the MK's Tomorrowland has to have the worst food, and selection of food bar none.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>I agree with you about the Subs. Ugh. What a huge waste of money and effort bringing that attraction back. << Are the lines still absurdly long, or is it better now? Never underestimate the power of nostalgia, especially when enhanced with cute holograms.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Are the lines still absurdly long, or is it better now?" I was there in July and the line was about 45 minutes. Knowing what to expect the attraction and effects seemed better than the first time I rode it several years ago. The storyline remains impossibly lame though.
Originally Posted By CuriousConstance I think the lines have gotten much better. When it first opened it was always 60 minutes plus. Now on an average, not packed day, probably 15-30 minutes is average. And it is boring. Not sure it would be any better if they got rid of the Nemo story or not. I bet it'd still be pretty boring either way.
Originally Posted By tonyanton I'm not one to be claustrophobic, but once the new subs entered the show building (and hence the animation "boxes") I felt closed in. I enjoy the first part of the ride most, as I know I am actually moving through a full lake of water!
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>> << I'm willing to bet that in 20 years Cars Land will have held up a lot better than any of the Tomorrowlands have.>> Doubtful. In 20 years Cars Land will have a new name or theme, or be just as dated of a relic as Tomorrowland. <<< No one sees the "apples - oranges" comparison?? Carsland is not set to a time period that is changeable like Tomorrowland. It's Period-Specific. Of course Carsland is going to age better than any incarnation of Tomorrowland. It's set to a specific time period - DUH !
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>^^^True, but the fact remains that space exploration does not captivate our imagination anymore. We are far more enthralled by the latest iPhone.<< We are making a lot of assumptions for a future generations. _WE_ may be stuck in the present ... and not think of anything that fits larger than the palm of our hand ... But lets not put words in the mouths of generations not even born yet.
Originally Posted By oc_dean I'll tell you all what I see: I see generations born out of the late 20th Century ... who have watched one too many "the world is going to end" flicks. We want everything NOW! It's all about instant gratification. Doesn't matter if some things will realistically take another century or two to invent. If it hasn't happened yet ... after watching Lost in Space, Star Trek, on our tv screens in the 60s .. that must mean there's something terribly wrong. If the human race manages to not kill itself off anytime soon .... We'll have those "futures" that our 60s and 70s tv shows boldly showed. But you can't expect it to happen over night. I await the future generations yet to be born in this century .. so we can get away from the current cynics born out of the 20th century .... which is driving me insane!
Originally Posted By oc_dean Oh ... I forgot - We are selfish too. We always speak of our generation and the future ones .. in one breath. AS IF we speak for them. LOL
Originally Posted By oc_dean by the way ... my apologies if I seem to be singling out anyone .. with my few posts .... It's really my collective feeling ... with LP posts after 13 years (and a general sentiment, outside of LP).
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "I bet it'd still be pretty boring either way." Believe it or not it was even more boring before Nemo came along. Imagine craning your neck and back to look at stiff fiberglass fish circling on clotheslines under water and you'll get the picture.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "I await the future generations yet to be born in this century .. so we can get away from the current cynics born out of the 20th century .... which is driving me insane!" LOL. I dunno, I think every generation is equally cynical. For every technological leap in the 50s, 60s and 70s there was always a McCarthy, a Vietnam War, a civil rights struggle, or an Archie Bunker to counterweight all the optimism back then. The difference between then and now is not cynicism, it is that people don't look to technology as a means to solving all of the world's problems, and rightfully so. We live in a post-Tomorrowland world. That isn’t cynicism, it’s reality.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>I dunno, I think every generation is equally cynical. For every technological leap in the 50s, 60s and 70s there was always a McCarthy, a Vietnam War, a civil rights struggle, or an Archie Bunker to counterweight all the optimism back then. The difference between then and now is not cynicism, it is that people don't look to technology as a means to solving all of the world's problems, << Up that point .... yes .. you make some good points Hans.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>We live in a post-Tomorrowland world. << I'm not exactly sure what that means.
