Originally Posted By Dabob2 "Those are some great photos!" Look at the first photo, with the Trylon and Perisphere. Now look at the exterior of the pool hall in the pleasure Island sequence of Pinocchio, which came out while the fair was running. An eight ball with a pool cue on its end standing next to it. Look familiar?
Originally Posted By oc_dean The pics of the 1939 Worlds Fair were awesome. Thanks for sharing Hans. One can see why it didn't recoup it's costs, and make any profit. Fewer people must have felt like having fun for a day, with WWII on, just 6 months after the fair opened.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Have ANY modern World's Fairs actually made money (ouside of perhaps the 64-65 NY World's Fair)?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Have ANY modern World's Fairs actually made money (ouside of perhaps the 64-65 NY World's Fair)?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Have ANY modern World's Fairs actually made money (ouside of perhaps the 64-65 NY World's Fair)?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Have ANY modern World's Fairs actually made money (ouside of perhaps the 64-65 NY World's Fair)?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Have ANY modern World's Fairs actually made money (ouside of perhaps the 64-65 NY World's Fair)?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Have ANY modern World's Fairs actually made money (ouside of perhaps the 64-65 NY World's Fair)?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Have ANY modern World's Fairs actually made money (ouside of perhaps the 64-65 NY World's Fair)?
Originally Posted By berol "Have ANY modern World's Fairs actually made money (ouside of perhaps the 64-65 NY World's Fair)?" Yes. I thought they were coming to an end from lack of host desire, but wiki says nope.
Originally Posted By FerretAfros >>An eight ball with a pool cue on its end standing next to it. Look familiar?>> Yep, according to various people who worked on the film, that was definitely their intent. Although the Fair was only in NYC, the iconography of it was well known enough that it would have been an easily understood sight gag at the time >>Have ANY modern World's Fairs actually made money (ouside of perhaps the 64-65 NY World's Fair)?<< According to this article, the Knoxville fair made a whopping $57! (and others - including Seattle, Nagoya, and Shanghai - also turned profits, as berol noted) <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://offbeattenn.com/knoxville-worlds-fair-expected-make-5-million-made-57/">http://offbeattenn.com/knoxvil...made-57/</a>
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Just for comparison: <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://digitalgallery.nypl.org/nypldigital/dgkeysearchdetail.cfm?trg=1&strucID=1928493&imageID=ps_mss_cd23_352&total=13559&num=40&word=44220&s=1¬word=&d=&c=&f=13&k=1&lWord=&lField=&sScope=Name&sLevel=&sLabel=New%20York%20World%26apos%3Bs%20Fair%20%281939-1940%29&sort=&imgs=20&pos=48&e=w">http://digitalgallery.nypl.org...s=48&e=w</a> <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://dfilms.tumblr.com/image/47344390099">http://dfilms.tumblr.com/image...44390099</a>
Originally Posted By Yookeroo Claiming that Walt's original Tomrrowland sucked because he didn't have the budget: fair enough. Claiming that Walt's original Tomorrowland sucked because he didn't have enough Futurism to work with: Lame. So much for Walt being some kind of visionary.
Originally Posted By PeterPan1313 I think that there is this misperception that 'Tomorrowland Doesn't Work Anymore', when in fact a lot guests enjoy re-peat visits on Tomororland, and it hosts a number of very popular rides. Tomorrowland has a nostalgia and fan base similar to other lands in DL. That being said . . . there is going to be a major Star Wars announcement in 2015, and if what I've heard is correct, then a Star Wars land is coming to Simba parking lot as part of a DCA expansion. Supposedly, Star Tours closes in Tomorrowland at DL the summer that SWland opens (animatronic C3PO pilots to Paris), and from that point on their looking at re-doing *some* sections of Tomorrowland at DL, starting in 2018. This is all rumors, but what i've heard is: 1. Star Tours simulators will be repurposed as the new 'Star Tours'(won't be called Star Tours anymore) will be an E-Ticket in SW which has both simulated flight as well as the ride vehicle which tour scenes with animatronics. The old TL simulators are rumored to undergo conversion Fall 2018 to 2019 to be turned into a new attraction, possibly Marvel based such as Guardians of the Galaxy and given a sort of feel like the film. This will probably involve cosmetic changes to the outside/inside queue of the ride. 2. They'll be a entertainment gap in TL as the Jedi Academy will get a permanent, and themed home in SWland. They might put in a Marvel based show, and make cosmetic changes to the Terrace there. Post 2018, anybody's guess at that point. We'll be looking at Star Wars frenzy folks, SW land will probaby be a huge draw for the park, and the excitment for the films will probably be nearly off the scale. I'm guessing that in 2020-2022, or so, they might seriously start looking at a Marvel based attraction for TL, using some rough blue sky concepts such as turning the old People Mover station into Avenger's Tower, maybe reconfiguring Innoventions . . .
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <and if what I've heard is correct, then a Star Wars land is coming to Simba parking lot as part of a DCA expansion.> You're still the only soul in all of Disneydom who has "heard this rumor." And considering how fast DL rumors spread, that just doesn't seem likely.
Originally Posted By PeterPan1313 >>You're still the only soul in all of Disneydom who has "heard this rumor." And considering how fast DL rumors spread, that just doesn't seem likely.<< Disney already bought space in Anaheim for extra parking, and it's been confirmed that Star Tours 2.0 will come to Paris around 2017-2018 . . . meaning that they'll probably close Star Tours in Paris at the end of 2017, and plug in the C3PO animatronics when ST in DL closes so that Paris Star Tours 2.0 opens in Fall 2018. 2015 is going to be a super exciting year for DLR . . .
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Why shouldn't Paris get ST 2.0? Long overdue (certainly by 2017!), and not necessarily related to a SW Land stateside at all. DL needs more parking in general. Attendance is only rising, and if they create a 3rd park or a waterpark (neither greenlit, but possible long-term additions), they'll need it. So if they got good terms for additional space in the area, they grabbed it. Again, not necessarily related to a SW Land. And SWL in Simba? Not gonna happen. Makes no sense physically, and certainly not thematically. leemac's rumor of it going into TT and nearby space that is currently backstage makes more sense (as counter-intuitive as it seemed when I first read it) and is backed by someone with a good track record, unlike some I could name.
Originally Posted By PeterPan1313 >>>Seems to me .. it started around 2003 - That TL98's days would eventually be numbered. With little rumblings here and there through one fan site like this ... or another one.<<< Just because some website want TL to get some new wallpaper doesn't mean it will happen. Miceage has for many years complained about the "Pixarization" of TL . . . no surprise that they sold (maybe even believed) their own rumor that Nemo would be gone. >>>Then the chatter seemed to have exploded on all sorts of blogs, and sites like screamscape, Disney&More, among others .. around 2007 ... maybe 2008. And continued to gain in momentum. The news of Tron Legacy for it's 2010 premiere got plenty of Disneyland fans going .. and the rumors started with a Tron like attraction to go where Innoventions sits. <<< Some sites, like Miceage, want to see new stuff in DL, specifically TL. It's a new rumor every couple of months. They don't like what they view as little kid attractions, bemoaned Pixar in DLR, and want to see stuff like Toontown taken out. >>>Along with a "Tron" like theme for the entire land. Same time .. I remember Al Lutz saying in a couple of his updates ... "Baxter & Lassetter seen backstage .. contemplating expanding TL and Frontierland beyond the DLRR perimeter." Miceage reported that Baxter gave Iger a tour of DL's berm to prove to Iger that DL can still be expanded. Well, a doubtful Miceage tale to be sure as Iger would simply ask DL's president about plans for expansion, which are already in the files, as this stuff involves infrastructure and crowd flow and stuff like that. >>>The movie Tron:Legacy came and went. And the rumor of the coming ride .. died with Disney's larger expectations of the film. (Yet, it's good enough for SDL!)<<< Management likes adding stuff that is unique to new parks, as a recent trend, and hoped that HK having Iron Man would be a bragging point. >>>Next up ... MARVEL. And here came a new set of rumors ... that a Stark EXPO of sorts was going to make it's way into the location of Innoventions.<<< HK will get Iron Man as an exclusive bragging point. >>>THEN came .... the purchase of Lucas Film. AND THEN .. Star Wars rumors for TL as if a nuclear bomb went off.<<< Superficially, the tourist map of DL shows the park surrounded by a lush green forest, as if Anaheim and the park's infrastrucutre doesn't exist. Based on this cartoon map some folks might figure that SWland would be put into TL . . . >>>Mostly coming out of Miceage. But few other sites were corroborating the rumors. Wonder why??? <<< Yes, wonder why ... Remember that Miceage won't report on the appointment of Trowbridge to oversee the coming changes to DLR in the near future, whatever they may be, as he is Imagineer #1 for all of DLR . . . >>>I thought Star Warzing TL was full of hot air from the start! And even Miceage is now admitting Star Wars is off for Tomorrowland.<<< Yet Trowbridge wears two hats, head of WDI's Star Wars Studio and WDI's chief in charge of projects at DLR . . . my my ;-)
Originally Posted By PeterPan1313 >>>And SWL in Simba? Not gonna happen. Makes no sense physically, and certainly not thematically. leemac's rumor of it going into TT and nearby space that is currently backstage makes more sense (as counter-intuitive as it seemed when I first read it) and is backed by someone with a good track record, unlike some I could name.<<< Do you mean TT WDW or Disneyland? Because the amount of space theoretically available behind of TT in DL is about 1/2 the size of Carsland . . . doesn't seem big enough to use up the $800 million that Iger wants to use for a longterm 'big bet'. They already use this paltry backstage area for moving people/equipment when servicing E-Tickets on this side of the park like TT, Luigi's and other stuff. Gotta have access to fix things . . ..
