Tony Baxter quote about movie based attractions.

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    Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance

    I enjoy a mix as well.

    I'm completely happy with a balance.

    But things like Screamin' seems kind of out of place at the DLR. Even though I'm sure it's fun and all, I'd rather have a themed attraction than a generic one like that.
     
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    Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan

    I'm thinking about things like Adventures Through Inner Space, Mr. Lincoln, Jungle Cruise and even It's a Small World (before they hid some characters in there, too).

    For me, it's not about those attractions staying there forever. Things should be changed out, much more frequently. But I think it's cool to have these Disney experiences like the Jungle Cruise or Pirates or Mansion that tell stories in the theme park environment.
     
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    Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance

    Pirates and Mansion are my two favorite rides with Splash Mountain right up there too. And I would be completely horrified if they ever came out, no matter what was to replace them.

    I don't think there are many people who feel differently about that either.

    So, I'm someone who can enjoy both rides, and enjoy both of them for what they are. I wouldn't want to be without either of them, I guess.

    In other words, I don't know what I'm talking about! lol
     
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    Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance

    When I said "both rides" I mean to say, enjoy both types of rides, movie based and non.
     
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    Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance

    And I should say, the movie based attraction should only be based on really, really good movies!

    I'd cry if they unveiled an all new exciting "Air Bud Extravaganza!"
     
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    Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan

    LOL!
     
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    Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance

    That's the only downer to having kids.

    Having to sit through "Air Bud" and "Air Bud 2" and "Air Buddies" and "Air Buddies Go to Space" and "Air Buddies go to the yard, play with some bones, and come back in the house".

    And all the other terrible, terrible sequels!
     
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    Originally Posted By underminer

    This may sound very cliche' but "Disney" means different things to different people. To some, it's all about animation and characters; to others, it's a vacation destination and fun getaway; and to others a magical quality that's hard to define. That's why there are so many forums and debates about what's right or not right for the future of Disney. It also gives us all a little escape from our mundane lives :)
     
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    Originally Posted By underminer

    This may sound very cliche' but "Disney" means different things to different people. To some, it's all about animation and characters; to others, it's a vacation destination and fun getaway; and to others a magical quality that's hard to define. That's why there are so many forums and debates about what's right or not right for the future of Disney. It also gives us all a little escape from our mundane lives :)
     
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    Originally Posted By underminer

    sorry didn't mean to post that twice!
     
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    Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt

    "Look, I'm not the Grinch out to make Disneyland boring for children. But I am the Ghost of Disneyland Past who remembers when the park offered a more diverse experience, where some of the rides were character based while others were not."

    Exactly.

    What people are missing is that the character branding wasn't there from the start. This is a new corporate STRATEGY outlined by the current CEO to drive profits. Disneyland may be about all things Disney now, but it didn't used to be that way, and frankly it was a much better and interesting experience. I get the sense that many people here are either too young to remember or relatively new to the Disney experience to know any better. New Orleans Square used to be about the French Quarter. Now it's about Pirates of Caribbean movie franchise and The Princess and the Frog. Very soon another movie tie-in will focus on The Haunted Mansion. Whether you agree or not, at what do you get your fill of Disney marketing when visiting the parks? Why not just slap a Disney brand on everything in the place?
     
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    Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt

    "Even though I'm sure it's fun and all, I'd rather have a themed attraction than a generic one like that."

    CC, Screamin' was custom designed and built for DLR.
     
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    Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance

    I'm sure it was, but it's still just a generic roller coaster. I can go anywhere in the world and ride something like that. It's got to be more.
     
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    Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt

    I suppose. But you could also take a spin on a merry-go-round or ride a vintage train around a theme park too. Does that make the DLRR or King Arther's Carousel less significant or out of place at DL?
     
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    Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance

    I think the theming on both of them make them uniquely Disney.

    I've never ridden a railroad train ride that took me to the land of the Dinosaurs.
     
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    Originally Posted By underminer

    Well let's face it, character branding and movie merchandising wasn't a real big part of our culture until about 1977 when a little movie called Star Wars hit theatres. While I am not a fan of the blatant in your face marketing, I am not naive to the fact that this is a company that has to make money to survive. They employ thousands of people in an unstable economy and need to be successful financially to keep the ship afloat like all the rest of us. I don't feel it detracts from my enjoyment of the park because the pros outweigh the cons.

    You may say that "well they survived without all the movie tie-in stuff 40-50 yrs. ago" and that's true, but in today's world it is much more expensive to run such a huge operation and keep people employed.
     
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    Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan

    There is a point at which the parks can tilt from being a unique entertainment experience and instead start to feel like a really large scale, immersive Disney Store. There currently exists enough of the original framework of the place (I appreciate the brilliant design of it more and more, how well it has held up all these years!) to maintain the integrity of What Walt Built. But it's starting to lean more and more towards being over-branded, over populated with tie ins.

    It would have been easy to make the Haunted Mansion a dark through ride based on Mickey's "Lonesome Ghosts" short. They aimed higher. In fact, they were aiming so much higher that the place sat empty for years as they sorted it out. Can you imagine that now?

    Not every Disney Channel show makes the leap to the big screen. There is original content exclusively for Disney Channel, and there are Disney feature films. The parks have always been another medium to develop original content, tell original stories as well as retell some of the classics. That's the mix that works best, I believe.
     
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    Originally Posted By cheesybaby

    <<Maybe some of the newer rides are character based...but isn't there still a good mix of both now?>>

    Every single new attraction built in DL in the last 11 years is based on a cartoon. Plus cartoon characters have been added to non-cartoon attractions like iasw, the treehouse, and the submarines. ALL of the new rides are character based. How is that a "balance"?
     
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    Originally Posted By underminer

    I was putting DCA with DL when I consider new attractions. If I'm not mistaken when DCA opened in '01 I think there were very few character based attractions (Muppets and Bug's life 3D). And again if i'm not mistaken, that didn't work so well.

    Look, this is a question of how much characters and marketing annoy you at the park. If your a purist then it is a bigger issue. This goes back to my post above...It is expensive to build rides and that little Carsland project wouldn't get a green light without the guarantee that they will be able to sell a lot of merchandise. It's a huge investment and whether we like it or not, that's how attractions are funded. Now we love Disney and Pixar movies so having a Cars theme or some other theme makes it more fun. I don't really think about the balance between character or non-character attractions. To me, a good attraction is a good attraction regardless of what marketing or merchandise surrounds it.
     
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    Originally Posted By cheesybaby

    ^^Yes, I agree, and in fact I made precisely the same argument in the "Why A Disney Parks Fan?" thread. That is the real-world reality.

    But it's still not a balance. You can call it financial responsibility, you can call it reality, but you cannot call it a balance. 100% cartoons will be our reality for a long while, but it is not a "balance."
     

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