Originally Posted By cmpaley >><< I also find the Republican position of pro-death penalty and alleged pro-life position to be hypocritical. See how that works?>> I don't see this cmpaley. People who don't support the death penalty have more blood on their hands than any person who every supported the death penalty.<< Straight up, Beau, I'm telling you that you're lying in that statement. You are a lying liar. The truth is, many people are opposed to abortion, euthanasia, unjust war and the death penalty. Their aim is for NO blood on their hands. That is MY aim, too.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan How about this next guy scheduled to be executed in California? He is in jail for murder, supposedly locked away forever. And yet, from behind bars, he orchestrates more killings. Wouldn't he still be viewed as a threat at that point?
Originally Posted By Beaumandy Lying cmpaley?? People who want to keep killers alive by being against the death penalty ( usually liberals ) must be to shallow and ignorant to understand that sparing the life of these killers has led to the MURDER of MANY innocent people who would be alive today if the death penalty would have been used. Is that what your proud of accomplishing with this silly position of not getting rid of evil people who have been convicted of murder?
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Pro-life is pro-life. Execution is only justifiable when it will preserve the lives of others.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy The point is Tom, the world is SAFER with convicted killers being exectued and many lives have been lost because these monsters were allowed to keep living and arranging killings both inside and outside the prison.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>Pro-life is pro-life. Execution is only justifiable when it will preserve the lives of others.<< That sums up my position as concisely as possible. There are alternatives to execution in the vast majority of the cases. It's called solitary confinement with minimal human contact.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer The number of innocent people killed by condemned killers is far, far less than the number killed by politicians who decide that another politician has to be removed from power. Yet it's much more important for us to kill this one guy who killed a couple of people. I think it's a crime to kill innocent people regardless of your motive, but then I'm pro-life.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>The point is Tom, the world is SAFER with convicted killers being exectued and many lives have been lost because these monsters were allowed to keep living and arranging killings both inside and outside the prison.<< And if it can be PROVEN beyond a shadow of a doubt that a convicted murderer is doing this, then execution becomes a moral option. But killing them out of revenge is wrong, imoral and uncivilized.
Originally Posted By cmpaley And let me clarify...that's proven beyong the shadow of a doubt AFTER all attempts at isolation have failed.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>And if it can be PROVEN beyond a shadow of a doubt that a convicted murderer is doing this, then execution becomes a moral option.<< So then Clarence Ray Allen qualifies.
Originally Posted By patrickegan One more serving of the hypothetical. I’m going to say the children in the case of abortion are more innocent then the likes of your old pal Tookie.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>I’m going to say the children in the case of abortion are more innocent then the likes of your old pal Tookie. << That's true. But pro-life is still pro-life.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy << The number of innocent people killed by condemned killers is far, far less than the number killed by politicians who decide that another politician has to be removed from power. >> Still arguing that Saddam should be in power I see. The left have the hardest time removing pure evil from the world, as this thread totally illustrates.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy << That's true. But pro-life is still pro-life. >> So I take it your rejecting your pro abortion liberal politicians you vote for?
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>The left have the hardest time removing pure evil from the world, as this thread totally illustrates.<< Our stance comes from our desire to fight evil in all of it's forms, not just the most obvious ones, Beau.
Originally Posted By patrickegan Well my point is you can’t prove me wrong with your faith and it would difficult at best to espouse all of the precious life rhetoric and support candidates/party that fight for the right to kill innocent children, without donning the mantle of hypocrite. If you’re going to keep that up you might want to look around in LP lost and found box for said mantle, you’ll know it when you see it.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>So I take it your rejecting your pro abortion liberal politicians you vote for?<< I vote for politicians based on the totality of their positions, not just a single issue. I prefer politicians who are pro-life, but I also prefer politicians who won't screw over the poor to line the pockets of their contributors.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer I'm not trying to prove you wrong, Patrick. I'm trying to explain my position to you.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy What republican is " screwing over the poor " Tom? You mean expecting people to... work?? That kind of screwing over the poor? Just for the record, Bush has given more to the " poor " than any president in recent memory, he is also pro life and he has liberated 50 million people along with bringing us a great ecomomy. So what's your excuse for not voting for him?
