Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>So what's your excuse for not voting for him?<< I fundamentally disagree with him on many of his positions.
Originally Posted By patrickegan I understand your position faith is a beautiful thing and it’s great that you can find it in your heart to forgive but supporting those that support abortion is not pro-life. On another note please don’t try and tell me that the likes of Kerry and Dean know the trial and tribulations of being poor cause the needle on the BS meter is pegged.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer It's not a matter of knowing the trials and tribulations - it's not doing things that make those trials and tribulations even worse. No politician is going to represent everything that I believe in 100%, Patrick. There are some fundamental principles of government and social justice that are just as important to me as my pro-life stance. I'm not a one-issue voter. Life is more complex than that.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy But Tom, how can some stupid democrat social policy you are fond of be more important than life? People in your party support late term abortion. What can be bigger than that? Gay rights?
Originally Posted By patrickegan Well I guess we are diametrically opposed as have a myopic political view. I’m with the keep your filthy paws off my wallet party!
Originally Posted By cmpaley Surely, you mean the Mammon-is-our-god Party, yes? Once again, opposition to much of Republican radical-right ideology doesn't automatically mean that one supports the Democrat Party. I'm still registered Republican and am thinking of changing it to "Decline to State."
Originally Posted By Kylesmom << am thinking of changing it to "Decline to State.">> Don't do it! I did once in my 20s when I was less than pleased w/ my party and I was totally left out of the primary process (dare I say, I felt disenfranchised).
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I am Pro-Life but usually vote for Democrats because Republicans usually suck.
Originally Posted By cmpaley I'm told Republicans suck more and with more skill. But that's just a rumor.
Originally Posted By woody So "Pro-life" is "Pro-life" except when the politician is the Democrat Party who support abortion in super-majorities and capital punishment in big-majorities. I guess I've heard it all right here. Democrats are generally not pro-life in any way. The public generally supports capital punishment and agrees that abortion should be limited. I think the public knows better.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>But Tom, how can some stupid democrat social policy you are fond of be more important than life?<< It's part of life, and it's part of what we are called to do. Jesus never spoke directly about abortion, but he did tell us to feed the hungry, house the homeless, visit those in prison, and to care for the sick. I'm not going to second guess Christ on what he wants us to do, so that's part of how I select what candidate I will support.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>I'm told Republicans suck more and with more skill.<< Not in my experience. What are we talking about again?
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>Democrats are generally not pro-life in any way.<< See what happens when you talk in generalities? You say things that aren't true. I know plenty of pro-life Democrats. They aren't the loudest voice in the party, but they are there. Harry Reid is pro-life, by the way.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>Democrats are generally not pro-life in any way.<< In all honestly, neither are most Republicans.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan So how about this next execution? I mentioned it earlier, but I think it got lost in the shuffle. Here's a fellow who, while already in prison for life for murder, orchestrates more killings from behind bars. Isn't that someone who we can consider still a threat and deserving of the death penalty? Or does he need to develop a longer pattern of such activities?
Originally Posted By cmpaley Why am I not surprised? I'll bet you'd willingly execute a person where there's exculpatory evidence showing beyond a reasonable doubt that someone else did the crime and that the person convicted was somewhere else entirely. In fact, I'm curious, "patrick." What brand of champagne do you drink to celebrate an execution?
Originally Posted By cstephens Wow, stay away for a day and a thread about the death penalty devolves into yet another finger-pointing us-against-them political farce. So this is why so many people stay out of this section? Points to Kar2oonMan for trying to get this topic back on topic. TomSawyer wrote: > Pro-life is pro-life. > Execution is only justifiable when it will preserve the lives of others. The only problem I see with that statement is that it was exactly that reason that was used to "justify" killing doctors who perform abortions and bombing abortion clinics. Given the continued machinations of Tookie Williams while he was in jail, and given the crimes of the next guy scheduled to be executed, I'd say they both fall under the category of their executions preserving the lives of others. /cs
