Originally Posted By disneyfreaksk < Additionally, they must show they can afford to raise the child.> Man, no one would ever have kids if this were the case!!!
Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney Funny line, Roady ... I luv threads like this. Nothing like death to raise the post count. How many people are drowning right now in the USA? Also, how many people are engaging (or their kids are) in unsafe behavior at WDW right now? At the risk of sounding like a Republican here, personal responsibility folks. Now, turning serious, I wonder how many people were in the pool when this woman met her unfortunate end ... I often see oblivious people in resort pools (and the ocean), so I wonder if someone could have done something but was busy being oblivious.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad Funny thing is, had it been anywhere but a WDW pool, it probably wouldn't have made the Orlando News.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <I agree with fkurucz. If the pools are open there should be a lifeguard...period< I believe it changes the libaility issues if a lifeguard is on duty - will leave that to STP or another att'y who would know for sure. Are there lifeguards at all beaches ? Again while it would be nice, I don't feel the necessity -- and many pools do read closed after xx PM- but people ignore and jump in anyway..
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 Death at Disney sells. Sad? Yeah. But true. And considering the stupidity of the average guest, I'm amazed they don't drop like flies daily. ... Or what if they do?
Originally Posted By wahooskipper My question. Was the pool "open" or "closed"? If it was open...but there were not lifeguards then I do think that is wrong. I believe there is a higher duty of care at WDW (and some other place). Particularly in light of the fact that many of their pools are not fenced in. I worked at Cedar Point and we didn't have lifeguards at the pools 24 hours a day. But, our pools were fenced in so we took a reasonable step to prevent accidents. Again, Florida law requires homeowners to fence in pools. Why should Disney not be held to a similar standard? Particularly considering their are far more people walking around their backyard than mine.
Originally Posted By DVC_dad Well..... *scratches chin* I would like to speak to that. I have 5 kids, oldest 11 years old, (yeah I know it gets old me saying it, but its necessary to my point) and a new baby boy, #6 will be here in two weeks. This being said, we wonder all over WDW as a family, just me, my lovely wife, and our 5 almost 6 young children. I can HONESTLY say I have NEVER felt that any pool should be "fenced in" at any resort, and who better than ME to feel the other way. So then why DON'T I think so? Well...the only thing I can think of is (sorry for caps) WE TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR OUR CHILDREN AT ALL TIMES ! Sorry for yelling, but I see SOOOOOOO many parents who don't do this, in fact some that have no idea where their young kids are and what they are doing half the time. At least once a trip, I see a parent and child, and the child wonders off, while the parent is doing something stupid. I wait until full panic sets in to shout "hey...he's right over there!" and point. Then when the parent happily grabs the child, they always look my way and say "thanks." But what I love is the double take they throw my way when they see how many kids I have under my wing. Then.... as if that isn't enough and I continue to toot my own horn (sorry) ... this whole conversation takes place unspoken between us to dads. It goes like this, "Gee I hope that guy with all those kids doesn't think he is better than me becuase he has his brood in order and I can't even keep up with my ONE child." And I throw a look back that says, "hey, it happens." Okay throw boos and tomatoes at me, I will get off of my soap box now. Thank you. Fences? No. Personal Responsibility? Yes.
Originally Posted By pixiedust1 <<<The internet continues to amaze me. I would have thought EVERYONE would be able to tell that my post was sarcastic. I guess not.>> DITTO... My post also was also done tongue n cheek... my god, they think I was serious..... sry folks.. just sarcasm..
Originally Posted By Coachbagfanatic1 DVC - you and anyone else who take proper care for their children should toot their own horn. We only have one son and he goes with us everywhere. I can count on one hand how many times I let my family watch him and he is now 10. I feel and this is just my opinion that if you have children they should not be pawned off on someone else for your own satisfaction. Grow up and be a proper parent. I will refrain from posting my opinion about this unfortunate incident until I hear what she passed away from.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<If they were, people would leave their kids at the pool 24/7. I have seen SOOOOOO many parents think, "lifeguard means free baby sitter!">> People who would do that are really disgusting. Don't they know that's what the game rooms are for?? ;-)
Originally Posted By demderedoseguys >If they were, people would leave their kids at the pool 24/7. I have seen SOOOOOO many parents think, "lifeguard means free baby sitter!" Shame on you parents who think like this. You don't have your kids best interests in mind.< I really must disagree with this. Parents who take their children to WDW want family time with their children just like you do, DVC Dad and are not looking to get rid of them. You can't "see" what people are thinking anyway and I'll bet you can't name one time at WDW where you saw a parent drop their young child off by the pool and walk away.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^^^^^^ I can, and I see it all the time at BB and Typhoon Lagoon -- parents having absolutely zero clue where their kids are ( and many times groups of kids 10 and under) -- while the parents are off on the slide - enjoying their ME time etc. -- I am sorry to say that is true but it is. Same thing at OKW -- parents in gurlging suitcase suckingthem down and the kids left for someone else to watch in the pool. This is NOT unusual-- I sure wish it was. Check out Disneyquest in DTD while parents are at Pleasure Island....just because they bring the family to Disney doesn;t make them parents ofthe year-- if they do this with their kids at home, they do it at Disney....and Disney gives them even more reasson because they feel safer there.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<I have seen SOOOOOO many parents think, "lifeguard means free baby sitter!">> In my days as a Disney Store CM, it was fairly common to have parents try drop off their children at the store while they went off to shop in the rest of the mall. We tried to stop most of that, but on busy days, it wasn't always possible to catch offenders.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Parents who take their children to WDW want family time with their children just like you do, DVC Dad and are not looking to get rid of them.>> You see some pretty grim stuff at WDW. I once saw a couple at the All Star Music Pool Bar LOUDLY berating their children about how they just didn't appreciate all the money that it took to get them to WDW. The parents were totally sloshed; the kids (I would guess 13 and 10) looked absolutely mortified about the scene that was being made. Sorry... not ALL parents at WDW are good or responsible parents.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 Oh, Trippy, you always have the ability to make me laugh and cry even in the same thread. Now anybody need swimming lessons?
Originally Posted By LuvDatDisney I've mentioned here before that I knew of a woman that dropped her daughter off starting at age 8 or 9 for hours at DQ so she could go cheat on her hubby with an Epcot CM. I'm sure kids are dumped all over, but Disney is a great place to leave your responsibility at home. And that's whether you're a guest or a local. Look at all the parents in the SoCal OC who drop their brats off at DL with those el cheapo APs.
Originally Posted By sun-n-fun And unfortunately it happens everywhere. There are 3 children (twins age 7 and an 8 yr old) in my neighborhood that live around the corner and a few houses down. They are at my house playing outside with my boys a lot. I have never met their parents and no one ever comes over to even check on them. I finally went to meet them and only an uncle was home and he was sleeping.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Man...I am certainly in the minority here. As a homeowner in Florida I am required to plan on the stupidity of others and fence in my pool so these moron parents in my neighborhood don't lose a child. Why place that burden on a homeowner and not a massive commercial entity such as Walt Disney World? Aren't the same idiot parents who live in my neighborhood bringing their kids to Walt Disney World? Do they suddenly gain common sense when the pixie dust is inhaled?
