Trellis - going away

Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance

I saw Sun Chips in the vending machine at work today, Ohana, and I thought of you, lol.

 

Originally Posted By DlandDug

OK... who moved the trellis? 'Cause it actually will block the view.

Bear with me on this one, and look at all the photos.

First, the trellises as planned (in the model):
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Note that there are two small scale trellises, on the upper walkway of Paradise Park. Also note that plants are trained only over the top, leaving the sides open for viewing.

Now, Paradise Park as built:
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The trellis on the right is on the upper walkway, but the trellis on the left is in the MIDDLE walkway. It was either built in the wrong place (which seems highly unlikely), or someone made a field decision to move it (very possible), or someone made an "executive decision" that it would look better centered between the walkways (it could happen). Regardless, it now sits in the MIDDLE of a large viewing area, rather than at the back.

The view from inside the trellis here:
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The plants now in place are almost certainly intended to wind around the two narrow supports, and spread out over the top, leaving a clear view out the side.

The trellis, from the upper walkway:
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Even with the open sides, the top, covered with foliage, will obstruct the view. If this had been placed in the upper walkway, as orginally designed, this would not be an issue. The view from the Entertainment Corridor is not optimal anyway.

I believe the placement of this trellis was changed, and the change was made without careful consideration of the impact on the view.

 

Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt

Makes sense. I hadn't thought about what the view would look like from behind the trellises, only from underneath them.

 

Originally Posted By SuperDry

<<< I believe the placement of this trellis was changed, and the change was made without careful consideration of the impact on the view. >>>

I think you're right. Wouldn't it be highly ironic if what you said is true and the reason their placement was changed was because of the view?

I understand wanting the park to be a certain way during the day, but considering that the primary purpose of the park is for WoC viewing, it seems that the trellises are just not the best fit. Someone must really have their hearts set on them.

 

Originally Posted By skinnerbox

<<I believe the placement of this trellis was changed, and the change was made without careful consideration of the impact on the view.>>

Too much credit, Doug. WDI would have kept the balance of the original design, with both of them on the upper terrace.

The contractor goofed.

It's been known to happen.

 

Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt

So maybe it (they) aren't be removed at all. Just repositioned?

 

Originally Posted By cheesybaby

I'm still not convinced they are going away. As far as I am concerned this is still one single comment that has gone through the discussion board infinite feedback loop.

 

Originally Posted By DlandDug

>>The contractor goofed.

It's been known to happen.<<

That was what I meant when I said, "someone made a field decision to move it (very possible)." I was just saying it as nicely as possible...

 

Originally Posted By skinnerbox

Well, it's definitely nicer than "some contractor had a brain fart and messed up." 8^D

I have no doubt that the contractor on this job was asleep at the wheel. The WDI model got it right; placing the trellis on the mid-level terrace would be disaster for WoC viewers on the upper level.

Does anyone know if the trellis is being removed completely, or will be relocated to the original spot on the upper terrace, as depicted in the model?

 

Originally Posted By DlandDug

Nobody here "knows" anything! But it's fun to speculate!

 

Originally Posted By mousermerf

There are some small elements on the third tier that weren't there in the model - the water fountain, etc..

Perhaps one of those things caused it to be moved.

I can totally see someone getting the memo to "move" the trellis to accommodate the water fountain and then following the siteline (and not considering the drop in elevation) and just dragging-dropping the block in CAD that represents the trellis to the next tier down.

 

Originally Posted By skinnerbox

I find it difficult to believe that WDI ordered the contractor to relocate the trellis to the middle terrace because of the drinking fountain placement on the upper terrace. This smells more like a screwup on the part of the contractor.

If the trellis was erroneously relocated to the middle terrace by the contractor, then that company should be forced to eat the cost of its removal. The relocation destroyed the sight lines for the upper terrace WoC viewers. The contractor should have be aware of what they were building in relation to the show.

 

Originally Posted By mousermerf


I think WDI moved it.

 

Originally Posted By DlandDug

OK... so I was just over at Paradise Park, and can report that the trellis is still in place today. Not even the plants have been moved. I did discover that folks on other web sites are starting to take bets on just when the trellis goes away or is moved!

 

Originally Posted By cheesybaby

Do we still have a single reliable/knowledgeable source saying they will be moved or removed? All I have ever seen is one single comment by "Disneymom" something on Mouseinfo. After that it has been all "I read on Mouseinfo that...!"

 

Originally Posted By SuperDry

I wonder what will happen if they go with the Showpass thing and people that were in the park first thing in the morning and got their Showpass and stayed all the way to the 10pm+ show, only to have their "reserved" space's view blocked by the trellis? I would imagine that a stream of complaints to Guest Relations will uproot the trellises in short order. That is, if they end up being a problem.

 

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Originally Posted By dshyates

Quite the discussion about a trellis. Imagine if we were discussing something important like princess M&Gs..

 

Originally Posted By mousermerf

That reminds me, entertainment is returning to the Princess thing in the Fantasyland theater. The coronation ceremony and such that they had previously is coming back.

 

Originally Posted By CuriouserConstance

Mousermerf, are they keeping the meet and greet?