Originally Posted By Lisann22 "certian" I need to start concentrating... "certain element" Whew boy. I'll chalk it up to being Monday.
Originally Posted By TP2000 Is this the part where I come in and laugh hysterically at the Garden Grove City Council? NFL Stadium. Indian Casino. Billion Dollar Movie Studios Theme Park. Mega-Mall with Venetian Canals and Luxury Hotels. And now back to an Indian Casino for a SECOND TIME. Can we just put this thread to bed now, wait a year, and then I'll dig it up and say "Remember when Garden Grove was going to build that Indian Casino? Whatever happend to that?" Ready.... begin.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Is this the part where I come in and laugh hysterically at the Garden Grove City Council?" Yes. And I've been waiting anxiously for your comments. The Garden Grove City Council is a mess.
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf Indian casinos aren't that big a deal. We have a big one here in town in a nice area and there is no "red light district" nearby. And honestly, allowing Native Americans to make money (on our land or theirs) is the least we can do.
Originally Posted By Sweeper As long as they pay their share of taxes. Hey, why doesn't the state just open casinos and drop the income tax? Let some addict pay my taxes for me. Sounds corporate.
Originally Posted By gadzuux I hate to admit it, but this sounds like a winning idea. I could see this happening. Indian casinos are getting their way in spite of local community opposition more and more recently. Plus, the location is "can't miss". The enormous volume of out of towners, tourists and conventioneers constantly flowing through the ares ensures new business. And GG's central location to the socal population would make it more accessible than their competitors way out on I-10. Whatever they build would be ambitious and huge - not some rinky-dink quonset like out in the desert. By making it big and spectacular, they're luring in outsideers - visitors from out of the area, or "new money" - rather than siphoning off of the local economy. The finances of this proposal just seem to make sense. I'm not opposed to gambling itself, but I am opposed to making it easily accessible by placing casinos within urban areas. But it doesn't much matter what I or anybody else thinks, money talks. One other odd thing - I've never lived in southern california, but I've had this impression that garden grove always positioned itself as being a devout, conservative, church-going, god fearing community. Now they're just sucking up to anybody who waves a dollar bill at them. Not surprising really.
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf >>garden grove always positioned itself as being a devout, conservative, church-going, god fearing community. Now they're just sucking up to anybody who waves a dollar bill at them. << That about sums up modern-day Christianity folks.
Originally Posted By TP2000 Garden Grove is no more or no less devout than any other central OC community. It is home of the famous Crystal Cathedral, which may be what you're thinking of gadzuux. But then the Cathedral property is literally on the border of GG, and if you walk one half block one way you are in City of Orange, and another block a different direction and you'll be in Anaheim city limits. So I wouldn't paint broad brush strokes on an entire city based on the physical location of one famous church. All that said, this Indian Casino thing will die a slow and tortuous death over the next few months. As usual, the Garden Grove City Council has hooked their wagon to a shifty and unheard of band of snake oil salesmen. This time though they are selling the prospect of a fabulous Indian Casino instead of an NFL Stadium without a team or owner, or Movie Studios Theme Park built by a secret Korean billionaire, or a mega-mall with Venetain Canals and gondoliers to take people to hotels and trendy restaurants that don't exist. This type of proposal with no real foundation or serious financial backing behind it is par for the course for Garden Grove. They're shamelessly good at it now. Although it should be noted that this is not the first time GG proposed a big Indian Casino. In 2004 they were in "secret talks" with Steve Wynn to build an casino with an Indian Tribe no one had ever heard of. It was a disaster for them. They're simply trying it again, except this time without Mr. Wynn. The Garden Grove City Council routinely makes total fools of themselves and wastes untold amounts of taxpayer money year after year chasing these crazy tourist schemes. This second attempt at an Indian Casino this decade is par for the course for them. And the GG City Council doesn't have any shame in trotting out their latest boondoggle. They are quite possibly the most clueless City Council in the western United States.
Originally Posted By dlkozy >>>"Indian casinos are getting their way in spite of local community opposition more and more recently..."<< And with good reason-according to Sunday's Sacramento Bee there seems to be a LOT of people with power in the state of CA that have received privledges courtesy of the Indian Gaming group.
Originally Posted By ChurroMonster I think Indians are deserving of some degree of privelege. After all, we wiped out over 90% of them. Germany (in the '40's) used America as an example yet never came close. I say let them do what they want to make money without ever having to pay taxes. It's the least we can do. The very least.
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf Agreed....if the native americans can't legally scalp all the newcomers that have taken over their land the least we can do is let them bleed them dry in other ways.
Originally Posted By TP2000 There's a great Lead Editorial in the Register this week. It sums up the Garden Grove embarassment perfectly. It also sheds light on this shady group of an Indian "tribe" that is unrecognized by the Feds and the Bureau of Indian Affairs. Apparently this "tribe" is in complete disarray and their CEO, Jonathan Stein, has tried this casino ploy unsuccesfully in other cities. Jonathan Stein sure is a funny name for an Indian. ;-) <a href="http://www.ocregister.com/opinion/city-garden-grove-1813315-officials-casinos" target="_blank">http://www.ocregister.com/opin ion/city-garden-grove-1813315-officials-casinos</a> Could Garden Grove's city council be any more inept? Short of dressing in drag for city council meetings, could they do anything more to humiliate themselves and prove to the community they are complete idiots? Apparently not.
