Originally Posted By Manfried Dr. Hans has it right. Disney thinks Tinkerbell is a huge hit. They didn't spend a lot and look at the revenues.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< Since its launch in 2005, the Disney Fairies franchise has evolved into a global phenomenon generating $1.3 Billion in worldwide retail sales >>> We have to be careful with the numbers here. A great amount of this is licensed merchandise, where Disney collects only a small portion of the retail sale (could be well below 10% in some cases). This is vastly different when compared to cinema box office numbers, where the studio/distributor gets the vast majority of the box office revenue (with the exhibitors making most of their money on concessions).
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt That may be true, but that doesn't diminish the fact that Disney Fairies is successful a franchise, which is what was insinuated in post 51.
Originally Posted By Anatole69 Re: original Tron gross. They may have hoped for Star Wars box office and not gotten it, which makes the movie a disappointment. Flop no, as it made back its production costs. - Anatole
Originally Posted By CaptainMichael <<^ Dry in franchises?They still have PotC, Princesses and Tink running around..>> The screenwriter is already hard at work on Pirates 5... Still awaiting a live action Society of Explorers and Adventurers (S.E.A.) franchise....
Originally Posted By leemac <<I love how DCL is counted as "capital expenditure" on our coast...>> The ships are owned and operated by WDW Co. hence they count for WDW. Also the ships feed the resorts and parks at WDW - thousands of guests each week are on-property thanks to DCL's success out of FL.
Originally Posted By leemac <<BTW... leemac... it's now January. What happened to the rumors about Baxter retiring in January? Is he still staying? Has he got a new project? Anything?>> Tony is still around - just not working on anything as far as I know - although I don't have anything to do with him. Don Goodman is taking early retirement in the fall which has upset me immensely - I know the fanbois are happy to spit vitriol at Don but he is a great smart man. The Company doesn't have anyone that understands real estate and hospitality like Don. He is entirely apolitical unlike virtually of all his peers at WDP&R. I really hoped he would stay and fight for change but it appears that we are losing another committed and dedicated executive - Don loves the product.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Maybe the toys aren't selling as great as they hoped for at the stores, but if I recall, neither did the POTC merchandise. >> Your recollection is entirely wrong - POTC was a goldmine - it shifted POTC-branded product unlike any other live action Disney movie ever. TRON merchandise just hasn't shifted at all which is why the Disney Store is already discounting it.
Originally Posted By leemac <<Finally, I think the apparent success of ElecTRONica at DCA might be a possible measuring stick if people might want some sort of permanant TRON attraction.>> The question is whether people are enjoying it because it is TRON-themed - I very much doubt that is the case. It is successful because it shamelessly mines the product created last summer and brings an additional nightlife element to a park that has thousands of extra guests lingering around because of World of Color. ElecTRONica's success has little to do with TRON: Legacy.
Originally Posted By leemac <<But in my opinion, if they DON'T add some sort of TRON based attraction at the parks, I truly feel that they're missing a golden opportunity. >> I don't want TRON inside the parks - I want to see something original for both Tomorrowlands in the US. I just can't see how a TRON-inspired look can work on that existing outdoor infrastructure. Both Disneyland and Magic Kingdom deserve something more inspirational than TRON.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I don't want TRON inside the parks - I want to see something original for both Tomorrowlands in the US. I just can't see how a TRON-inspired look can work on that existing outdoor infrastructure. Both Disneyland and Magic Kingdom deserve something more inspirational than TRON.<<< Agreed totally! Something original.Well said, Lee.
Originally Posted By brotherdave And I would entirely agree with that as well. Something new and original in the parks outside of any film or toon franchise would indeed be a welcome sight! However, I still like the "look" of TRON, and wouldn't mind at least one attraction to take advantage of it. But if WDI is willing to give us something new and unique, I would very much be in favor of that over TRON or any other film franchise!!!
Originally Posted By brotherdave >>Your recollection is entirely wrong - POTC was a goldmine - it shifted POTC-branded product unlike any other live action Disney movie ever. TRON merchandise just hasn't shifted at all which is why the Disney Store is already discounting it. << I don't doubt you Lee as you would definitely know best. I just recall seeing (and buying for my son) all of the POTC figures and playsets at ridiculously cut prices at Toys-R-Us not long after the 2nd movie was released where they were apparently trying to just unload them. Obviously, he was an extremely happy kid that Christmas!
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Both Disneyland and Magic Kingdom deserve something more inspirational than TRON. And with that you have just earned my respect. Thank you.
Originally Posted By leemac <<I just recall seeing (and buying for my son) all of the POTC figures and playsets at ridiculously cut prices at Toys-R-Us not long after the 2nd movie was released where they were apparently trying to just unload them. Obviously, he was an extremely happy kid that Christmas!>> The toys definitely didn't sell as well as the apparel lines that is for sure. The sale of Sparrow tees and the wigs etc. were huge though. Irrespective the TRON toys have been a bust. It was bad enough that Mattel, Hasbro and Thinkway all passed but the current manufacturer really didn't come up with anything inspiring.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Irrespective the TRON toys have been a bust. It was bad enough that Mattel, Hasbro and Thinkway all passed but the current manufacturer really didn't come up with anything inspiring.> I thought the TRON toys were cool -- I especially like the ones that appear to talk -- but they all seemed too expensive $39.95 for an action figure is pricey!
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>However, I still like the "look" of TRON, and wouldn't mind at least one attraction to take advantage of it. But if WDI is willing to give us something new and unique, I would very much be in favor of that over TRON or any other film franchise!!<<< Agreed. I'd love to see the look adapted for EPCOT. But with plants. LOL. And yeah, TRON toys were VERY cool (moving faces!) but far to expensive.
Originally Posted By SuperDry Wasn't part of the issue with POTC merchandise that for the first movie, there was essentially no merchandise at all? I seem to remember reading that the wild popularity of the film caught Disney completely off guard, and by the time they realized what they had, it was too late to ramp up merchandise production. They sure didn't make that mistake twice.
Originally Posted By Manfried "Something new and original in the parks outside of any film or toon franchise would indeed be a welcome sight!" Unfortunately I don't see that happening any time soon. And I don't see the creative talent at WDI coming up with it. They're turning into a version of the live entertainment folks. Constantly producing rehashes of other folks creative efforts.
