TRON question for leemac

Originally Posted By Spirit of 74

There's always the possibility of DL doing major infrastructure work (like removing Innoventions, relocating the boiler plant just behind Space Mtn.) ... but anything's possible.

What's probable?

 

Originally Posted By sjhym333

I am not sure why there are some questions about the viability of a TRON attraction even with the movie not performing as well as expected. If you use that criteria then you wouldnt have Splash Mountain which is based on a movie that probably 98% of Americans have never seen.

As for the Disney Decade. I am still waiting for the night time show at the Studios with music by Andrew Lloyd Webber based on Noah's Ark...I think.

 

Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA

'Innoventions -- Neither innovative nor inventive' -- discuss

 

Originally Posted By oc_dean

>>
But I've heard the fanbois in Anaheim are up in arms (on yet another CHATTY site) over a Tron attraction and they won't take no for an answer. The reality is the Tron attraction being pushed for Shanghai (and possibly cloned for MK) is NOT the one that was talked about for DL's Peoplemover tracks.
<<

Spirit ... where are you getting this idea, that DL's peoplemover track is possibly slated for a "Tron" type ride?

I've been paying attention over at that "Chatty" site myself ... and all posts on one specific topic devoted to a Tron ride in Tomorrowland .. revolve around the Innoventions building .. and behind it.

NOT the Peoplemover track.

What most people are hoping for though, is, a new Peoplemover type attraction, but totally separate from any Tron theme, whatsoever!

 

Originally Posted By oc_dean

Also ....

if some of us old-timer LPers want to still insist that another Tron film is not in the works ....

Then what about this - which describes what is to go on to the future DVD/Bluray ... with "teasers" for the next installment -

<a href="http://www.aintitcool.com/node/48194" target="_blank">http://www.aintitcool.com/node/48194</a>

It took reads. I just didn't believe it at first.

But the guy IS discussing the very content that IS going on the DVD for the film.

It will be nice to get "official" confirmation ... but this appears to be pretty darn close.

 

Originally Posted By oc_dean

edit

It took TWO reads.

(sorry)

 

Originally Posted By HokieSkipper

^^^The footage that is supposedly on the DVD was also supposedly filmed before Tron Legacy was released.

So yea...that really doesn't mean anything.

 

Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer

>>>Eisner certainly had a vision at first, but he also had a company with tremendous assets that weren't being utilized at all (from land in FLA to animation to CPs) ... I was there when Eisner announced the Disney Decade and maybe 15% of what was announced got built.<<<<


Better than not building anything....

 

Originally Posted By skinnerbox

<<Then what about this - which describes what is to go on to the future DVD/Bluray ... with "teasers" for the next installment ->>

Dean, take a look at my thread over in Live Action:

<a href="http://mb.laughingplace.com/MsgBoard-T-118169-P-1.asp" target="_blank">http://mb.laughingplace.com/Ms...-P-1.asp</a>


<<The footage that is supposedly on the DVD was also supposedly filmed before Tron Legacy was released.>>

That ties in nicely with my speculations about what the footage actually might be used for on the DVD.

As Spirit mentioned, the sequel has yet to be given the go-ahead. The script is still being written, and several insiders have claimed that no decision will be made until DVD sales are known.

 

Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer

>>>'Innoventions -- Neither innovative nor inventive' -- discuss<<<

The Carousel of Progress... Like buttah!

 

Originally Posted By skinnerbox

<<I've been paying attention over at that "Chatty" site myself ... and all posts on one specific topic devoted to a Tron ride in Tomorrowland .. revolve around the Innoventions building .. and behind it.

NOT the Peoplemover track.>>

Not long ago, a well-known former Imagineer whom I trust implicitly, who still has close friends working at the exec level of WDI, personally told me that the PM track has too much structural damage to be used for any new attraction, such as TRON lightcycles, which is what the fanbois have been hoping for.

Several posters online with inside connections claim the same thing, that the PM track in DL is eventually slated for the wrecking ball. Given the wear and tear those 2-ton Rocket Rods placed on the track over a decade ago, that sounds completely logical.

 

Originally Posted By oc_dean

Thanks Skinner ... I appreciate your "insider" chat .. on both this, and the earlier post about a possible 3rd Tron film.

I'm skeptical though about believing any word from anyone "from within". How do we know that some accounts aren't a bit exaggerated "tails"?

(This is just one of those Out-There lines ... just take it with a grain of salt) ...

For imagineering .... and imagineers for all their "theatrical" talents .. can be a bit "theatrical" in claims that "could" be a bit exaggerated.



If the track was that bad off - Lets not forget half of the PM track runs through other buildings - If it's in that bad of condition ... then the buildings that run through them ... would have some troubles, in the spots that connect to the PM track itself.

And we would have heard accounts of infrastructure improvements throughout key attraction facilities throughout the last decade. - If ... the Rocket Rods took that much of a toll.

And why would George K. .. at last September's D23 event even suggest something else could go on the tracks?

He wouldn't have suggested it all ... if the tracks were in that bad of condition.

Obviously .. there must be engineers saying - This is the reality: This here is bad, this part is okay, this part, in good condition .. etc.

While the Rocket Rods debuted in May of 1998, and officially gone by Sept 2000 - In that 27 month period .. the Rocket Rods ran some 18 of those months.

If the 18 month Rocket Rods made that kind of damage ..... Why would a damaged track in that bad of condition be left, like waiting for a, unrelated Rocket Rod accident to happen?

But I don't think these accounts are as bad as some may claim.

But I'm willing to eat my words .. if I'm wrong.

But .... I'd say .. the only thing I have to go on .. is George K's word - that they are hopeful of designing something new.

 

Originally Posted By Spirit of 74

<<I am not sure why there are some questions about the viability of a TRON attraction even with the movie not performing as well as expected. If you use that criteria then you wouldnt have Splash Mountain which is based on a movie that probably 98% of Americans have never seen.>>

That much I agree with ... you don't need to be familiar with source material or have great source material to make a great attraction. ... It's just Disney these days only builds attractions in the States that have strong 'brands' if you will (Everest would be the only recent exception ... and pretty soon Disney will be doing a movie about Disco Yeti's search for true love in West Hollywood!) I'd love to see a high quality Tron attraction. I'd love to see a high quality anything attraction at this point!

<<As for the Disney Decade. I am still waiting for the night time show at the Studios with music by Andrew Lloyd Webber based on Noah's Ark...I think.>>

Oh yeah, that was a big one that just disappeared (kind of like Copperfield's dining locales at Disney-MGM and DD) ... and there was Hollywoodland at DL ... and the old fashioned BW rides at the BW resort ... and there was something about Mermaid rides in three MK parks and ... on and on ...

 

Originally Posted By Spirit of 74

<<Spirit ... where are you getting this idea, that DL's peoplemover track is possibly slated for a "Tron" type ride?>>

That was the first idea that was developed for Tron ... and was, as near as I can tell, the only one that has been seriously considered for DL.

<<I've been paying attention over at that "Chatty" site myself ... and all posts on one specific topic devoted to a Tron ride in Tomorrowland .. revolve around the Innoventions building .. and behind it.

NOT the Peoplemover track.>>

I just skimmed posts ... it would be a large waste of my time to try and wade thru the volume of it. But while I am aware of the rumor you speak of, I also don't see that one happening either.

<<What most people are hoping for though, is, a new Peoplemover type attraction, but totally separate from any Tron theme, whatsoever! >>

I doubt that will happen. They never should have killed the PM for such a weak replacement. Now ... I have heard the track is in awful shape and likely can't support a new ride that wouldn't be incredibly expensive.

 

Originally Posted By Spirit of 74


<<If the track was that bad off - Lets not forget half of the PM track runs through other buildings - If it's in that bad of condition ... then the buildings that run through them ... would have some troubles, in the spots that connect to the PM track itself.

And we would have heard accounts of infrastructure improvements throughout key attraction facilities throughout the last decade. - If ... the Rocket Rods took that much of a toll.>>

Not really. So long as nothing is running on the tracks, I'm quite sure the structures (and the tracks themselves) are fine. Running something on them would likely change things.

<<And why would George K. .. at last September's D23 event even suggest something else could go on the tracks?

He wouldn't have suggested it all ... if the tracks were in that bad of condition.>>

Why would George K say anything? Oh ... so many things come to mind. But largely I am sure he was just speaking off the top of his head and mindful that his campaign of being a darling of the fanboi community has been successful, he'd want to offer hope without really saying anything at all.

 

Originally Posted By skinnerbox

Dean asked:

<<If the 18 month Rocket Rods made that kind of damage ..... Why would a damaged track in that bad of condition be left, like waiting for a, unrelated Rocket Rod accident to happen?>>

Spirit opined:

<<I doubt that will happen. They never should have killed the PM for such a weak replacement. Now ... I have heard the track is in awful shape and likely can't support a new ride that wouldn't be incredibly expensive.>>


There's your answer, Dean:

"... the track is in awful shape and likely can't SUPPORT a new ride..."

It has to do with putting heavy vehicles on the track and moving them, causing vibrations and further weakening the structural damage already done.

If the track just sits there, with nothing zooming around on it, it's OK. No worries about it coming down or falling apart.

But 2-ton vehicles like the Rocket Rods, starting and stopping continuously for hours on end, every single day? That's too stressful. And any TRON-based attraction for the PM track would involve heavy vehicles that are in constant motion, similar to how the Rocket Rods operated.

So if a TRON attraction gets slated for DL, it will NOT be on the PM track. That rumor has been completely debunked from several sources that I know and sources Spirit knows and other sources whom posters elsewhere know. It's not going to happen.

 

Originally Posted By oc_dean

^^^
Sounds like what you are suggesting is that there are absolutely no plans for the same Tron attraction you hint for WDW, and Shanghai DL ..... to go into DL in Anaheim, at all!

I find that a little too hard to believe, with years and years of rumors for a TL makeover. Which would include something huge ... that would take over the spot of Innoventions. (ie - the Tron E Ticket rumor.)

Many so-called insiders hint to this. It's no secret Innoventions is one of the biggest duds to ever hit DL, and you're saying a Tron ride to replace it, is not in the cards at all?!!

Well .. I continue to stay tuned into this channel. The saga of an aging Tomorrowland, that is in great need of help.

 

Originally Posted By oc_dean

^^^
post in response to Spirit's #134

 

Originally Posted By skinnerbox

Remember, Dean...

The PM track was never designed for something as heavy as the Rocket Rods. Those PM vehicles were lightweight fiberglass shells with very few moving parts. They were propelled by the wheels spinning in the middle of the track. The weight difference between the PM vehicles and Rocket Rods was HUGE.

The Imagineers for TL98 who concluded Rocket Rods could safely run on the PM track without any added structural reinforcement were wrong. Shortly after Rods began testing operations, structural cracks started showing up at key junctures in the supports, especially around the sub lagoon.

I remember part of the sub lagoon wall of rock formations near the show building entrance on the left side broke off and exposed the concrete support wall behind it. It could easily be seen from inside the sub on the port side, so a camouflage net was placed over the hole to disguise it as best they could. It really wasn't much of a disguise and looked horribly out of place.

Point is, that hole was created when the Rods were still being tested. And it only got worse once the Rods were operational. Too much damage has been done by the Rods to consider using that track again.

The only way WDI could create a new attraction for the PM track at this point, is to rebuild key sections and make sure the new vehicles are closer in weight to the original PM vehicles than the Rods. But the chances of that are slim, given the unique propulsion system of the original attraction and the horrific cost to rebuild most of the track.

No way Disney would pay hundreds of millions for such a low capacity ride again.

 

Originally Posted By skinnerbox

<<Many so-called insiders hint to this. It's no secret Innoventions is one of the biggest duds to ever hit DL, and you're saying a Tron ride to replace it, is not in the cards at all?!!>>

According to my sources, it's not in the cards at this time, mostly because of all the capital being put into DCA. It will be many more years before DL gets a green light for another E-Ticket, especially since Star Tours II will be opening in four more months.

If you doubt this, Dean, take a look around the other sites and see what happened to the posters who claimed with 110% certainty that the ride was going to happen. They all agreed that the execs saw the dog and pony show presentation last week. But not one of them will state what the outcome was of that presentation.

Reason? They don't know. The execs haven't decided yet. And much of that has to do with what's being finalized for Shanghai, and current capital expenditures for DL/DCA and MK.

DL might get this attraction. But even if it does, I don't see groundbreaking happening before late 2012 or early 2013 if it does.