Originally Posted By oc_dean In response to your latest posts Skinner and Spirit ... I guess everything really hinges on how much money Disney is willing to spend a new Tomorrowland for Disneyland. No doubt ... there are sections that either need reinforcing .. or need a complete rebuild. Of course, depending on whatever they have in mind for those tracks. I can't imagine WDW's Tomorrowland being the only "2 level" Tomorrowland in existence throughout 6 "MK" parks ... and just say - CHUCK IT! To the original in Anaheim. Tomorrowland has been neglected for so long ... they've done everything they could to spend as little as possible, for far too long, and yet .. by sounds of it ... there is just no commitment. This is just where I hope some in executive positions are screaming at the top of their lungs .. and say - "We're Disney! We are better than that!"
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<This is just where I hope some in executive positions are screaming at the top of their lungs .. and say - "We're Disney! We are better than that!">> None of them would dare. The moment they did something like that, they'd be out on their butts in a heartbeat.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>I don't see groundbreaking happening before late 2012 or early 2013 if it does.<< My hunch all along .. the Co. wants to see Phase 1 of DCA's improvements finished in 2012 .. and watch some profits pour in .. FIRST ... before they greenlight ANYTHING new for DL. Interesting tidbit on that one PM support beam in the sub area !! I've never noticed it. Probably something noticeable riding the Autopia .. which I hardly ever ride. Well .. it's an awful sinking feeling ... that management would not put another "second level" bit of excitement back into the land. The land made one large leap forward in 1967. Now .. one large leap backwards to the "one" modest looking level, the land once was: 1955 to 1966 - ?? I sincerely hope not!
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>None of them would dare. The moment they did something like that, they'd be out on their butts in a heartbeat.<< Well .. certainly no Low Level executive .. but surely .. the Higher Level ones ... with more clout. >>they'd be out on their butts in a heartbeat.<< That's actually very, very sad you or anybody else would say. It means .. No one is allowed to care about what is best. It's all nothing but a sad charade, of a corporate mindset, gone mad. And out of touch.
Originally Posted By oc_dean Skinner ... let me try to rephrase something I think didn't come off right. It was just a hindsight "observation" .. how we (anybody) are in this place where we are echoing this newer reality the Disney Co. lives in. I'm sure it makes you sick too, to think - This is how the company today operates! As you were writing that ... you probably thought ... Too bad I should have to write this at all. Know what I mean? Or I'll say it like a hommie Know-whoa-I'm-sayin ?
Originally Posted By ionbyte <<No way Disney would pay hundreds of millions for such a low capacity ride again.>> I'm indifferent to the idea of a peoplemover coming back to DL but this statement is far from true. The peoplemover was a people eater and an extremely high capacity attraction.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>Point is, that hole was created when the Rods were still being tested. And it only got worse once the Rods were operational. Too much damage has been done by the Rods to consider using that track again. The only way WDI could create a new attraction for the PM track at this point, is to rebuild key sections and make sure the new vehicles are closer in weight to the original PM vehicles than the Rods. But the chances of that are slim, given the unique propulsion system of the original attraction and the horrific cost to rebuild most of the track. No way Disney would pay hundreds of millions for such a low capacity ride again<<< I think that they would rebuild it... Disneyland actually does these things. And I don't think it's that much of a capacity draw... I know that our TTA is actually quite the people eater.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA Getting rid of the People Mover was just a bad idea. Rocket Rods were noisy, uneventful and apparently caused damage to the infrastructure of the existing track. Not to mention the lame queue area. (I know, I know...Tony had a budget, and then he didn't and then they had to resort to spray paint and black lights) What else could have gone wrong with one attraction? An updated People Mover -- with new trains -- could probably still be in place today.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Leo stated: <<I'm indifferent to the idea of a peoplemover coming back to DL but this statement is far from true. The peoplemover was a people eater and an extremely high capacity attraction.>> Then Manfried clarified: <<Rocket Rods was the low capacity attraction, not the Peoplemover.>> Exactly. Thanks, Manfried. I was referring to the Rocket Rods, because that's what a TRON-based attraction on the old PM track would be closer to in execution and operation, than the PeopleMover. Bringing back the original PM is not going to happen. Bringing in a new TRON attraction for the old track would be prohibitively expensive for a low capacity ride a la Rocket Rods. If a new E-Ticket based on the TRON franchise is brought to DL, it won't be for the old PM track. It's time to finally let this rumor die.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> Leo stated: <<I'm indifferent to the idea of a peoplemover coming back to DL but this statement is far from true. The peoplemover was a people eater and an extremely high capacity attraction.>> << Ion said that, not Leo. I just read it. I always liked how the outdoor track for DL's Peoplemover didn't have a roof, but the cars did. We must have ridden the Peoplemover a dozen times our first trip to DL. Although I find it ironic that by far the campiest, most-mocked section of the old Peoplemover ride was the Tron tunnel. I remember thinking how lame it was in the 1990s (when everyone's reaction was, "What's a Tron?"). And now people dreaming of a Tron replacement for the old girl. I guess if Iger wants to make something a franchise, by God he'll make it so. The customers are too stupid to know what they want! They want a Tron restroom, they just don't know it yet.
Originally Posted By Jim in Merced CA <Although I find it ironic that by far the campiest, most-mocked section of the old Peoplemover ride was the Tron tunnel. I remember thinking how lame it was in the 1990s (when everyone's reaction was, "What's a Tron?" Right? It seems like the 'SuperSpeed Tunnel' came on board at Disneyland around the same time that 'World of Motion' was installed at EPCOT Center. So, right around 1982, yeah? And it was a bit lame, yes it was... When I first visited EPCOT Center in 1986, I remember that section toward the end of 'World of Motion' that was essentially the same, semi-lame technology -- I even recall that the same opening footage from the original 'Tron' movie was used in 'Motion.'
Originally Posted By leobloom >> When I first visited EPCOT Center in 1986, I remember that section toward the end of 'World of Motion' that was essentially the same, semi-lame technology -- I even recall that the same opening footage from the original 'Tron' movie was used in 'Motion.' << I remember the section of World of Motion, but hadn't made that connection, Jim. Nice to know.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Bringing back the original PM is not going to happen.<<<< Do you know this for sure? Because, if they could find SOME franchise to use on it, I bet it would be back...
Originally Posted By skinnerbox I've heard from too many people that PM is dead. The new TRON attraction being proposed is not for the PM track. And nothing else is being proposed for it.
Originally Posted By oc_dean I'd love to post this as a bulletin ... for all Disneyland Park Fans to see ... no matter what website discussion forums they visit: At last year's D23 event in September DLR President George K. was very specific when he said the Peoplemover in it's 1967 design .. or near it ... could never be built again. As cal/OSHA has much stricter guidelines in place, now. In order for it to come back in it's original format ... * Every single tunnel through every single building would have to be widened so that no one can touch the walls with their hands. * There has to be better emergency exit points to leave the ride, should it shut down. * Throughout what is dubbed as "The Spaghetti Bowl" (Autopia, Monorail, PM tracks, all intertwining together in the northern section of TL) ... there would have to be Emergency Staircases every so many yards from each other. What George K. did say ... Imagineering are tinkering with new ideas that could work for that track. Albeit, they most likely would have to do a lot of work to reinforce and rebuilt some sections. And it also widely depends on how far Disney wants to go ($$) on a remodel of the land. Currently ... Tomorrowland has buildings dated 1967 - (Buzz, Coke Terrace, Star Tours, Star Trader, Innoventions, R2P2) and 1977 - (Space Mountain, and it's two flanking "wings" - The Starcade, and what was once the Space Place Restaurant, now a queue for Space Mountain). The buildings are old. New Peoplemover or No Peoplemover ... Are they going to keep rehashing the same old buildings into New Tomorrowlands?? Again .. buildings that are 43 and 33 years old??? If a proper New Tomorrowland rebuild is in order .. then it should be interesting to see how a NEW P.M. type ride is figured into this.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I've heard from too many people that PM is dead. The new TRON attraction being proposed is not for the PM track. And nothing else is being proposed for it<<<< That's quite sad... The PM and it's tracks are a vital part to a TL, IMO.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>>I've heard from too many people that PM is dead. The new TRON attraction being proposed is not for the PM track. And nothing else is being proposed for it<<<< I think it's still possible they have a trick or two they could pull out of their hat. Just because _some_ in the organization are completely pessimistic does not mean the _whole complete_ organization is. They are in the business of making dreams a reality. They are not a paper clip business.
Originally Posted By Manfried "If a new E-Ticket based on the TRON franchise is brought to DL, it won't be for the old PM track. It's time to finally let this rumor die." Applause from Manfried in Florida!!!
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<They are in the business of making dreams a reality. >> If you believe that I've got a hut to sell you on the Amazon.
