Originally Posted By trekkeruss Put me in the not-all-that-surprised category. Yes DL has had a steller year, but Disney has been advertising WDW and the 'Happiest Celebration' seemingly 24/7... you can't go a day without seeing it at least a few times, regardless of what channel you may be watching.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< Figures Lie, and liars figure ! >>> My favorite: People use statistics like drunks use a lamppost: for support rather than illumination.
Originally Posted By jlghk My impression of MK in WDW is that Disney has made extra effort and spent extra money on every detail in MK. That creates a very nice environment for you to stay or hang around. All you need to do is buy a one-day pass (or annual pass) and enjoy the fantasy there. That is how the magic works!
Originally Posted By montu101 I've only been to the Florida parks and one thing I've noticed in last couple of years is how crowded the parks are in what used to be called the off-season. Seems a lot of people are getting the point that visiting at these times is more enjoyable than during the always packed, hot, humid hurricane friendly summer months. If you see the amounts of people visiting during the Food and Wine festival at Epcot you understand that point.This festival runs from late sept through Mid november and park hoppers certainly go to the MK.
Originally Posted By DLFAN79 ""My impression of MK in WDW is that Disney has made extra effort and spent extra money on every detail in MK."" Um where? WHAT money? and WHAT r u on
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Maybe he/she is confusing the MK with DL? Since they did spend the bucks and the extra effort over there.... Remember, these are tourist. What do they know?
Originally Posted By Roger55 Mc Donalds probably sells the most hamburgers in the world, and Starbucks probably the most coffee.... but that doesn't mean that those are the best hamburgers and coffee in the world! Attendance "estimates" are interesting, but do not necessarily reflect the quality of the park they are attached too.
Originally Posted By DLFAN1979 Also some little birds that flew from Anaheim told me that DL has closed <SIX> times last year!! And yet its STILL #2?? And HOW MANY times did MK close???......
Originally Posted By trekkeruss The MK can hold more guests. Even if it never hits so-called capacity, it can still have more patrons at any given time. Why is it so difficult to understand that the MK could have more attendance than DL even if it isn't bursting at the seams like DL? Example (and these are purely hypothetical numbers): If the MK holds 90,000, but only gets 75,000 every day, it would still beat out DL which holds 60,000 and gets 60,000 every day.
Originally Posted By Mr X >>>Also some little birds that flew from Anaheim told me that DL has closed <SIX> times last year!! And yet its STILL #2?? And HOW MANY times did MK close???......<<< I doubt that sort of this is relevant. TDL closes all the time (practically every Saturday all summer long for starters), but the company COUNTS on those busy days being "packed to the rafters". What makes the top parks so impressive is their consistency, having a decent number of customers show up EVEN during the slow periods. WDW, being such a worldwide destination, has that advantage. Tokyo, having such obsessed season pass holders, also does well.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN I think the number at WDW is inflated based on the same guest using multiday passports. I personally still don't believe the MK packs more guests than TDL. Even over the busy holiday period this past week, the MK looked a whole lot less crowded than TDL does on holidays (and TDL is a much more expansive park in acres than the MK)
Originally Posted By SuperDry I know I've said this before, but how crowded a park gets is based not only on how many admissions there were for the day, but also how long those guests stayed in the park. I'd guess that average guest stay at TDL is much longer than it is at WDW. At WDW, most guests are on park-hoppers and there's probably quite a bit that actually hop on any given day. Most guests at TDL probably do NOT have a park hopping ticket, so spend their entire day at TDL once they get in.
Originally Posted By barboy Superdry, you have made a very important point about the time a guest will spend inside any given park. And I know that you're correct in your assumption about WDW's park hopping guests. They all do it(well,countless anyway). The mode of guests are Europeans and "out-of-staters" who stay on property and hit a park in the AM, go back to their room and rest or swim and then hit another park for some PM fun. Conversely, Unless the Oriental Land Co. has changed its policies lately A 4 day 2 park pass at Tokyo compels guests to choose ONE park and ONE park only for the first two days and the last 2 days a guest may hop from Disney Sea to Disneyland or vice versa. Furthermore, TDR guests commonly arrive via train and come for 1 day. I think there are only 7 on site hotels. I know that WDW's Magic Kingdom's perceived popularity is due to misleading, biased or inflated figures whereas Tokyo DL's #'s are legitimate and bona fide.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<I know that WDW's Magic Kingdom's perceived popularity is due to misleading, biased or inflated figures whereas Tokyo DL's #'s are legitimate and bona fide.>> I know that TDR provides an outstanding and superior produst compared to the MK, but to say that WDW's numbers are somehow illegitmate is wrong. Just because more people in Florida park hop doesn't in any way reflect on how many visits the parks there receive.
Originally Posted By barboy "Just because more people in Florida park hop doesn't in any way reflect on how many visits the parks there receive." I don't know about that trekkeruss. I'm not saying that you are wrong but I'm definitely not saying you are right either. I guess we need to define visit. If one goes through AK's turnstiles and immediately exits the park(maybe he forgot something back in the car or hotel)is that a visit? What about those who go, for example, to Epcot solely for dining at the San Angel and then leave. Or what about those who show up at the MK just for the fireworks--- does that count as a bonafide visit? How about those who spend 2 hrs only in a given park and as a frequent guest at WDW I can tell you straight up these scenarios happen so very often on a mass scale. The best approach to take when adressing a park's true popularity is to look at turnstile figures and time spent in a given park.
Originally Posted By leemac <<I think the number at WDW is inflated based on the same guest using multiday passports.>> WDW measures attendance based on the first park entered that day.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Also some little birds that flew from Anaheim told me that DL has closed <SIX> times last year!! And yet its STILL #2?? And HOW MANY times did MK close???......>> I can't say how many times the MK at WDW was closed during a year, but when I was there for 5 days at Easter one year the MK was closed on <THREE> of them. My guess is that MK kicks the heck out of DL on number of days closed too. As if that means anything; which it doesn't.
