Originally Posted By beamerdog Hm, I've always been taken to the interior alternate entrance to Spaceship Earth. And also the one at the Haunted Mansion where I miss the whole elevator :-( Does anyone here have access to coporate statistics supporting the Fast Pass system? I think that whether we "like" it or not will have less importance than how many people they can get on a ride spread out thru the day. Anyway, I don't think that making people pay for it will give it more use. The people who use it now and can afford it will buy the unlimited use version.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>I don't mind fastpass too much as long as it is open to all. Fair opportunity for a first come first serve basis.<< >>^^I agree. i still think that FP as it is-is very fair.<< FP is Not fair to those who arrive at the park in the afternoon hours, or late mornings when it's crowded, after the FPs have been distributed, or to those that can get it but the return time conflicts with other plans later in the day, and are forced to pass it or take in hopes of meeting their time. It's so unfair that even CMs allow guests to show up and use them FPs even after their time window has expired, which IMHO... ADDS to the unfairness of the whole system, period. There is no winning because it does not benefit the 51%+ of the guests in the park. >>I would hate it if they charged extra for it. Another further tiering according to economic ability. This to me feels plain wrong.<< Exactly the reason why I still believe FP should be totally eliminated. You want to cut in front of me? Then PAY for it! THAT would make me feel better when I am in the stand by line roting for 2 hrs to ride 'Soarin'. As of now, it's the guests in the stand-by line who are paying the long and tedious price of FP.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Still it doesn't surprise me some of you are FOR FP, because it's all about what works "for *ME*", and opposed to what works "for the WHOLE". Typical me me me me me mentality.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Needless to say, it doesn't work for Disney either because it takes some extra $$ to operate FP and it doesn't bring any more business into the shops as it did before the good olde days of everyone standing in line and riding first come, first serve.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo ^^^^Are you sure about that? Since fast pass was introduced, I think we spend more time in the shops now.
Originally Posted By mrichmondj ^^^ Shops haven't been the big beneficiary of FastPass. Sit down restaurants have seen the biggest gains. Before FastPass, guests would skip meals altogether or hit up counter service for a quick bit of something. Now, there is a greater portion of folks who budget time for the sit-down meals. It's not an incredibly huge number of people that have changed their habits, but it's significant.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss But is that gain from FP, or is it because of WDW dining plans? Regardless, I don't think anyone here can say FP has not benefitted Disney. If it truly wasn't doing what it is supposed to, they would remove it altogether. This is not to say it doesn't have some problems.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>Since fast pass was introduced, I think we spend more time in the shops now.<< But.. did you spend anything???
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Still... if Disney made the FP system a "pay for" option, it would still be quite fair to all, because ALL guests still have the option to buy it or not. Same difference as of now. I can live with that. You loose out if you are cheap. Your problem. CHARGE $$ FOR FP DISNEY!!!!!
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>Since fast pass was introduced, I think we spend more time in the shops now.<< But.. did you spend anything???<<< Last trip about $1000 - $1500
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo "Still... if Disney made the FP system a "pay for" option, it would still be quite fair to all, because ALL guests still have the option to buy it or not. Same difference as of now. I can live with that. You loose out if you are cheap. Your problem." The early bird catches the worm. You feel hard done by because you are not there early enough. Your problem.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>Last trip about $1000 - $1500<< Is that amount in souvenirs bought at the shops while waiting for your FP window to come up??? Because that is what I meant to as about... Not total gross for the entire trip.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>You feel hard done by because you are not there early enough. Your problem.<< True, and since there is NO TRUE perfect solution to the problem...since someone is bound to be inconvenienced one way or the other... what Disney should do is eliminate FP altogether. Thanks for helping me illustrate that point.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I'm ok with ditching it too (in fact the parks would perhaps become civilised again).
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>>Last trip about $1000 - $1500<< Is that amount in souvenirs bought at the shops while waiting for your FP window to come up??? Because that is what I meant to as about... Not total gross for the entire trip.<< Not necessarily, however we spent more time in more shops thanks to fastpass, and therefore probably did spend more than we would have. Certainy we spend more on impulse buys this way.
Originally Posted By trekkeruss <<since there is NO TRUE perfect solution to the problem...since someone is bound to be inconvenienced one way or the other... what Disney should do is eliminate FP altogether.>> But FP wasn't designed solely for the purpose of the guest experience, it's only marketed that way. It was designed to get people out of lines and (conceivably)into shops and restaurants. Does FP make a few people unhappy? Yes, but that number is tin compared to those who don't have any real problem with it. Does FP make money for Disney? If it didn't, they would probably scrap the system. So will it go away? Take a guess. I say "no."
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy Have you ever noticed that when FP is brought up on these boards, it's like tossing gasoline on an open flame?
