Originally Posted By danyoung >Yep and glad to be counted among his many..< Many thanks, amigo. I'm not sure how you find the middle road of being able to disagree with TDLFAN without it getting all personal. I've always thought he has a secret crush on me, and it just comes out all mean. Unrequited Love Dalmatians!!!
Originally Posted By TDLFAN You go on believing that. But if I had to respond to it, what I really feel for you is pity, simply because you are so clueless about so many things...it's sad. But hey.. that's your pollyanna mind blocking you from seeing the whole picture. >>TDLFAN -- How does the lotto system at TDL work for groups? Or is it just individual by individual?<< For families or groups enjoying the park together, each person's passport has to be scanned before pressing the "button" to play the lotto. This is all done vie touch-sensitive TV monitors. The CM will ask what show or showtime you want to try for and HOW MNAY in your party. If you have six people for example... the CM will scan all 6 passports, then go over your selections. Once you have agreed the info is correct, the CM will bring up the "press here" screen. Once you press on the TV monitor, it takes a second for the TV screen to tell you. "Congratulations!" or "Not a winner " If you win, the computer will issue you 6 seat assigments for the entire party to be able to sit together for the show. YES! The seats in front of the castle are numbered by section, row and seat. No room for mistakes or over-assigment of seats. It's that precise. While NOT winning sucks, the fairness on the system comes from the fact that I can enter the park at 5pm and try the lotto for the 6pm show at the castle and still win! ..and I have won great seats in that fashion. One catch: if you loose, you are done for the day. You can't go back and try the lotto again, so that those who have not had a chance to play it, can have a crack at it. It's as fair a system as you can get.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <What you're telling me is that those people have "chosen" to give up any FP's that they might have gotten, because they didn't get up and join the rush. < yes, that is exactly what I am saying. no different than if you sleep in on Saturday and have to go to the DMV - the lines will be longer, if you arrive at a concert / ballgame with general admission seating in the 3rd inning, you will not get your seat choice...it is a conscious choice and they should be no hold back program just to accomodate.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <My definition of "fair" does not include "Get your bucket out of bed and join the rush." For others, it does. Usually the one's who are early risers, and can't understand why there are people who are not.< see I fully understand while some may not be, but then the perk goes away. On days when we CHOOSE to go to BB or TL in the morning and then to the parks in the afternoon, if I go to EPCOT after dinner I expect the FP's to be gone for TT and Soarin' - it is a choice I made that day and I did what I wanted to do. No griping and no complaining. Those who got the FP's didn't get to enjoy the water parks or 3 extra cups of coffee - they also made their choice
Originally Posted By danyoung >... what I really feel for you is pity, simply because you are so clueless about so many things...it's sad.< You say the sweetest things, snookums!
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> It's as fair a system as you can get. << Sounds good to me. And it does address groups visiting together. Cool.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN However... just like FP, I too would like to see the TDL lotto system gone. However, OLC does not want to see the fanatic fans sitting down to wait at the hub from 10am for a show that won't begin until 7pm, which was happening and the reason why the lotto system was put in place.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN Ticket system?? You mean, just the way it was before Pressler messed up the whole experience??
Originally Posted By trekkeruss The same total number of people get to ride an attraction as before FP. If a ride's theoretical limit is 2000 guests per hour, 24,000 guests will ride in 12 hours. FP has no bearing on that. It does allow a percentage of those riders to virtually wait in the line less time, but the same number of people still ride. That's why, IMO, it's completely fair.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>You say the sweetest things, snookums!<< So do you, crabcakes! Your own quote below: >>I have nothing to add except to say...gasp argh... I AGREE with TDLFAN!!! Dan takes a knee - that was PAINFUL!<< Post #19 here: <a href="http://www.micechat.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1295300#post1295300" target="_blank">http://www.micechat.com/forums /showthread.php?p=1295300#post1295300</a>
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> FP has no bearing on that. << Except when those FP riders are walking by, in full view of the Standby line. Visibly walking by others shouldn't be made part of the experience.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> That's why, IMO, it's completely fair. << Yes, everyone has an equal chance to get to the front of the line, and to walk past everyone else in the process.
Originally Posted By danyoung >Your own quote below:< Pretty desparate, cross-quoting from another forum to find agreement. Yes, in that case I completely agreed with you. In oh so many other instances, I don't. It doesn't make me clueless if I have an opinion that doesn't agree with yours. And you're not clueless, either - just needlessly mean. That's OK - I've gotten somewhat used to your abuse. Doesn't mean I like it, or even understand it. >Except when those FP riders are walking by, in full view of the Standby line.< It's a frustration that should happen exactly one time - the first time a newbie finds himself in a slow line, watching others pass by, and asks "hey, how do I get in that fast line?" After that, it becomes a matter of choice. I CHOOSE to stand in the slower line or bypass the ride, just like I used to choose to stand in a 90 minute Splash line on a busy day, or bypass it. And when I find out that all the FP's are gone for the day, I have the option to show up earlier the next day to score one.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy >> that should happen exactly one time - the first time a newbie finds himself in a slow line, watching others pass by, and asks "hey, how do I get in that fast line?" << Oh please.... So all I have to do is "understand" FP, and then I don't have to wait in Standby lines anymore? When the FP's are gone it still gripes me when people pass by, whatever the reason.
Originally Posted By ssWEDguy Just by understanding, I can CHOOSE to have to join the Disney-crush crowd, so that I can get an FP. Folks, this is NOT a matter of education or not understanding. It's a matter of striking a better balance between privelege (yes, "available" for everyone), and in-your-face inconvenience. -------------------------- Here's yet ANOTHER idea. We could eliminate all our problems by simply eliminating the Standby Line altogether. FORCE all the Standby people to learn and use FP, and then we can ALL get to the head of the line.
Originally Posted By danyoung >So all I have to do is "understand" FP, and then I don't have to wait in Standby lines anymore?< I assumed that your (or anybody's) frustration comes from not knowing why one line is moving faster than the other. I personally don't feel the frustration that you do when standing in a slower moving line, as I know I had the opportunity to take advantage of FP if I'd been at the park earlier. Actually, I'll rarely stand in a line of much longer than 30 minutes for any attraction, as I know I can hit it early the next morning to avoid the line. But that's me. >It's a matter of striking a better balance between privelege (yes, "available" for everyone), and in-your-face inconvenience.< I can understand this point of view. I don't share it, but I'm willing to admit that perhaps the "in-your-face inconvenience" is more of an annoyance to some than I've noticed.
Originally Posted By Disneybrad "Ticket system?? You mean, just the way it was before Pressler messed up the whole experience??" I Didn't Realize Paul Pressler used a Time machine to go back in time and convince others make the decision in the Early 80's to Eleminate the Per attracions ticktes and replace them with the park hopper tickets.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN I thought "ticket" meant FP ticket? Or maybe it is about the old A, B, C..tickets?
Originally Posted By disneydad109 maybe we can everyone madeover only 3/4 size then more people could fit in the same space.
