Originally Posted By fkurucz >>It wasn't until the 4th or 5th Century that the doctrine started, either. Funny that, too.<< If that was true, then why do the Indian (Malabar), Coptic and Assyrian (to name a few) churches teach this? They went their own way long before the 4th century?
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>Is there any hope for people like me and my friend in Phoenix who have NO clue about all this stuff and just believe in the Lord almighty and try to be the best human beings we can?<< Being a Communicant is not necessary for Salvation. That said, being a Communicant is a fantastic source of grace, which we all need to bolster our walk with the Lord.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>If that was true, then why do the Indian (Malabar), Coptic and Assyrian (to name a few) churches teach this? They went their own way long before the 4th century?<< To clarify: many insist that the doctrine of the real presence is a later Catholic invention. My point is that many (lesser known) Churches who for various reasons fell out of union with Rome in the first two centuries also believe in the Real Presence. The Malabars are a great example. They were founded by the Apostle Thomas and before the end of the first century they lost contact with western Christendom. Because of this they did not even have the benefit of the Scriptures, and had to rely entirely on Oral Tradition. They remained isolated for over 1000 years. When contact was restablished with the west most had no problem reuniting with the West. Some chose unity with Rome and others chose Byzantium (the Orthodox Church). A few chose to remain independent, mostly for political reasons. Those who chose unity with Rome were allowed to keep their rites and customs, which today is known as the Malabar rite.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Am I rational to think that being a much better human being than most of the "believers" gets me to spend eternity with the Lord. I think so and I continue to see it every day in LP and in life. I have given so many e.gs. and they just get redded out which proves my point. Love and kindness and not being obsessed with oneself is the way I think God wants us and the company HE prefers to hang out with for all eternity.
Originally Posted By mele <<Am I rational to think that being a much better human being than most of the "believers" gets me to spend eternity with the Lord.>> No, I don't think it's a contest. <<I have given so many e.gs. and they just get redded out which proves my point. >> Exactly how does that prove anything other than you are saying inappropriate things? Are the mods deleting your posts because you are so much more Christian than them? I don't understand what you are trying to say here.
Originally Posted By FaMulan <<Am I rational to think that being a much better human being than most of the "believers" gets me to spend eternity with the Lord. I have given so many e.gs. and they just get redded out which proves my point. >> Pride is a deadly sin,iirc.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>Am I rational to think that being a much better human being than most of the "believers" gets me to spend eternity with the Lord. I think so and I continue to see it every day in LP and in life.<< That may be possible...if there is a case of "invincible ignorance." You're NOT in that case. You live in the Western world where Christianity is preached far and wide. A Christian is humble before God (and yes, I certainly need work in this area!) and uses his/her gifts in service to others. >>I have given so many e.gs. and they just get redded out which proves my point.<< >>Love and kindness and not being obsessed with oneself is the way I think God wants us and the company HE prefers to hang out with for all eternity.<< That's a start. 1 Corin. 13 is the definition of love we need to look to. By the way, I watched some of your Joel Olsteen this morning. Frankly, I found it more reminiscent of a Zig Ziglar presentation than a sermon in a Christian church. Sorry, but the amount of doctrinal teaching being communicated to that arena was so paltry that the first line of the Mass alone would have overwhelmed it. Zig Ziglar presentations are all well and good, by the way, but, as is said in Ecclesiastes, there is a time for everything. Church isn't the time or the place to be told how to "feel good" about yourself. It's the time and place to be brought closer to Christ and into a closer relationship with Him through hearing the Word and reception of the Sacraments.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe The family and I watched Joel, we all hugged at the end and prayed for forgiveness of our sins and we all cried. Hot exactly Zig Ziglar who I've seen in person. So make of me all you want cm and other people as you do and I'll embrace love and kindness. One quick eg that was redded out---I forgive Duke for what he did--You and ima do not--that simple thing MELE got redded out so snap out of it and see the truth. I've done NOTHING wrong here.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Is 68 inapppropriate mele as you indicted me on? It's not possible that I did NOT say inappropriate things? Now you're the one who ballsy. You didn't get redded out for saying exactly that but see if this simple thing stays.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Sorry for all the typos but I popped about 15 pills at noon and I'm still running at about 102--just trying to stop the making fun of me for that.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >>So make of me all you want cm and other people as you do and I'll embrace love and kindness.<< I'm the one who wants to emphasize the love and mercy of God as a prospective Catholic while judgemental fundamentalists want to focus on the wrath and anger of God. And I'm called the negative one. Noted.
Originally Posted By mele <<Now you're the one who ballsy. >> Yeah, jealous? It seems like you really enjoy feeling sorry for yourself. You are not persecuted by anyone on this board. Snap out of the self-pity mode. As long as you keep whining about the choices the mods make, you'll probably continue to get "redded" out. It's as simple as that.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe Wanna bet Mele? Just mocking you and your quote to me I feel great about myself as does Joel. I feel bad about cm and you being so angry. I wouldn't want to trade my life for anybody. I do admit frustrate that the few arrogant apples can't be seen for who they are. I definitely don't feel sorry for my blessed life. That would be ludicrous. I can't wait till tomorrow mele because every day is a gift from God.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>The Malabars are a great example. They were founded by the Apostle Thomas and before the end of the first century they lost contact with western Christendom.<< Actually, they were in pretty constant contact with the Persian Christian Church - otherwise known as the Chaldean or Babylonian Church. From the 8th Century onward, the Patriarch of the East Syrian church appointed the Bishops to the Malabar church. They were isolated from Rome, but not from the Eastern Orthodox traditions. They were in pretty constant contact with Persian and Byzantine Christians thanks to the heavy trade between Persia and India. The Coptic Christians were living in a Christian land until the Muslims conquered Egypt. The Nicene Creed is said to have been written by an Egyptian who later became the Patriach of Alexandria. They were not isolated, either - even after the Muslims took over Egypt. The Coptic church split from the church after the Nicene Creed and the Council of Chalcedon. The Assyrian Church is the East Syrian church that appointed bishops to Malabar. The Assyrian church split from the Patriarch of Antioch in the 5th Century, well after Nicea and well after the idea of transsubstantiation took root as a response to Gnostic heresies.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer ccj, just stick to the topic and don't worry about the personalities of the posters and whether or not people are happy or not. You won't get admined if you stick to the topic instead of trying to turn every thread into how persecuted you are and how angry everyone else is.
Originally Posted By cape cod joe You just haven't been following Tom. I'm not persecuted at all as I went through yesterday. Less than 10 people are angry here as I went through yesterday. Just relax and concentrate on your great life as I am all set with mine My wife is the only one who I care to tell me what to do
Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>Less than 10 people are angry here as I went through yesterday.<< Don't even bother going through it. Don't bother pointing out how angry other people are. That's probably why you're getting admined all over the place.
