Originally Posted By MPierce >> <<I like the sound of your Grandmother.>> You wouldn't have wanted her for a mother in law. Except for her wonderful Italian cooking, she put me through hell. << Good Italian cooking is worth a lifetime of hell. My mother-in-law is Italian, but she's pretty cool.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 ^^Lucky for you, enjoy. Mine could be cool at times, but she chose to make too many people's lives a living hell. She certainly toughened this girl up.
Originally Posted By CarolinaDisneyDad Seems to me like the mother in law, daughter in law dynamic is more stressful than son in law, no matter what the ethnicity is.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Hey, be happy you still have a job. Despite what the CNN/FOX/CNBC spinmeisters say, I think things are getting worse by the day. And we have a nation of ignorant rubes who believe our Prez is gonna kill grandma ... truly astounding! Two more friends of mine recently lost their jobs (one at least gets paid through Dec. 31st, the other gets one week!) < I also believe we have not seen the bottom yet job wise...which is why I accept the 16 hour days and keep my mouth shut.. as for killing Granny- the Prez likely won't but Pelosi/Reid gang -- not quite as sure..are you ?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 You can blame me for everything from global warming to healthcare ... I like being responsible! ;-) But Phil is a regular reader, so I wouldn't doubt anything. Hey Phil, I may not be the Spirit but as a stockholder /DVC owner/AP holder/ collector/D23 member ( and a member of the original MMC) - PLEASE stop the madness with having kids show hotel cards to get on rides... here's a thought if wristbands are too much trouble-- have different color Mickey shaped stickers with a code printed on them( to prevent as much fraud as you need to) for different days and give them to the guests when they check in for length of stay -- thank you Phil
Originally Posted By vbdad55 He's not, however rationed care for the ederly is a very real concern for senior citizens. So you trust the Government now to do right by you? I trust no one in either party- period
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Sadly the two are interralted. It takes vision, leadership and hard work to make a change, and change takes time. I am very optimistic for the future (unlike say 2 years ago) because there is a leader I can believe in again (I just wish others did too). I wish I could be Dave- but having watched his entire body of work before the Presidency from up close in my state - I am far from as sold as you are. DO you know the hospital ( UIniv of Chicago) where Michelle carried her $300K/year job - routinely sends those without insurance away from ER to other hospitals in the area ? I guess it wasn't as important an issue to them then. Barack is a very intelligent - well spoken 'politician' - and grew up in the ILlinois/Chicago politics mold... While I believe he has some very good intentions, don't lose site of the fact he is a politician. I believe he will do some things that will improve this nations standing in the world- which is sorely needed after the last 8 years, on that I do agree. But he also has to reign in some of the far left in the Dem party not happy with him today also - I believe health care for all can be accomplished- but as you say, can't turn a tanker overnight. A lot of tweaks and a lot of salesmanship will have to be done...and the gov't cannot have total control- they handle most things very poorly..health care would be no exception.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I just want him to stand up, take charge, tell the GOP that healthcare for the masses is coming and they can either be part of the dialogue or they can drop out but that it will be a reality. This isn't gonna play out like with Hillary in the early 90s (who then sold out to the healthcare lobby machine)! his bigger issue is the 30-40% of his own party he can't convince- at least not as the bill would be written today. He doesn't need the GOP right now - but he has to have all his own party in line and they are far from it. A lot more compromise on the plan has to be done -- healthcare for all- absolutely the right thing- how to get there.. those answers far more elusive today, but should be being worked on
Originally Posted By DAR Wow this thread turned. Anyway vbdad55 glad you have a great time. And from the looks of our baseball teams it seems we need a little happiness and magic in our lives.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<He's not, however rationed care for the ederly is a very real concern for senior citizens.>> We all have rationed care as is. Insurance companies tell us what docs we can see, how many times, what tests we can get, what treatments we can get, how long we can get it etc ... I may be a socialist (I don't think I am) but healthcare can't be allowed to be run as just another capitalist enterprise. All that means is that the richest will get the best care and the poor will get lousy care or none. I am curretnly involved in my own healthcare nightmare (not health, thankfully although this might cause an brain bleed before it's over) and I think most people are clueless as to how bad things are in this country. Of course I said the economy was in a depression two years ago and was laughed largely ... <<So you trust the Government now to do right by you?>> No. I don't. And that's pathetic. We are such an arrogant nation. It would be nice if we walked the walk for a change. <<I trust no one in either party- period>> Trust no one. Where have I heard that before?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<his bigger issue is the 30-40% of his own party he can't convince- at least not as the bill would be written today. He doesn't need the GOP right now - but he has to have all his own party in line and they are far from it. A lot more compromise on the plan has to be done -- healthcare for all- absolutely the right thing- how to get there.. those answers far more elusive today, but should be being worked on>> I agree. Maybe if Kennedy hasn't of seen fit to die, he might have helped. Sadly, I think it comes down to one fact. Many Americans (even poor) believe healthcare should be based on the ability to pay for it. While they have no problems paying with tax dollars for two wars, bailouts to Wall Street banks and security corps, bailouts to automakers, talk about giving healthcare to poor folks (forgetting about many folks who can't get insurance because of actually having the gall to have pre-existing conditions ... again, I have family and friends in this boat) drives them into this ignorant stupor of hatred and misinformation. Healthcare for all IS the American thing to do. But I don't see it happening unless Obama and his advisors get a whole lot smarter about how they're going about it.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> I agree. Maybe if Kennedy hasn't of seen fit to die, he might have helped. << I don't know if Obama knows what a major lost that was to his healthcare program.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip As you all know, I went through a period of trying to reconcile liberals with conservatives. I thought, and still think, that John McCain is a very decent man with a centrist philosophy that could have perhaps brought us all together. But that, unfortunately, was yesterday. The conservatives dominating the conversation today are ignorant, selfish and evil. Even though I have my problems with the health care reform bill currently before congress, I am ALL IN!! The conservatives have declared war on liberalism. We must fight... we must win. Obama's win last year shows we have the numbers. It is time WE started packing the Town Meetings rather than the Angry White Men. Don't be distracted by the Republican noise machine. They make crap up and are not to be trusted. I recently got fed up with the conservatives on the Branson Board and posted my "Jerry's Democratic Manifesto". Here is a copy: <<I have tried to position myself as a moderate, because that is really my preferred position. But that is not accepted here... you have to choose one side or the other. I've chosen the Democrats. Here is why (copied from a post in another thread): Quote: Don't worry onemobetta... I won't compromise. I've finally come to realize compromise in today's highly partisan, divided country is impossible. And when it came to choosing sides, I'm firmly with the democrats. I don't much like where we are at today. And who got us here? Republicans. No, not Bush. He shares some blame, but his role is really quite small. For 20 of the past 28 years we've had Republican presidents. During most of that time the Republicans also controlled Congress. For the past 28 years, starting with Reagan, government's role has shrunk dramatically. Business has been freed from regulation unlike any other era in America since the day of the "Robber Barons". What has that gotten us? Business creating false demand through advertising telling us we constantly need more than what we have. Credit companies being more than willing to support that false demand by giving credit to anyone. Don't blame it all on democrats looking to expand home ownership. The mortgage crisis triggered where we are at today, but it is just a small part of the massive increase in debt incurred by Americans over the past 20+ years. Was the real-estate industry doing anything to stop the massive housing bubble from developing? Are you kidding me? They supported it. Same with the builders. Same with the cities looking at the benefit of a greatly increasing tax base. Did the democrats ask lenders to encourage home equity loans people could not afford to buy boats and other toys they had no need for? No, that was the much-vaunted American free enterprise once again. Over the past couple of decades wealth has become increasing concentrated at the top. Is that because our top business people are better than ever, are working harder than ever before? Heck no. They just pay themselves 50 times more than they ever used to. The greed of American business is limitless. When businesses can no longer make enough money by creating false demand for things people can't afford and don't need, what do they do? They cut costs by shipping jobs overseas. They cut the heart out of American manufacturing and sent it to China. Where were the Republican while all this was happening? They were in the White House and in Congress. Why didn't they do anything to try and stop it? Because then, like now, Republicans like to pretend that American free enterprise will solve all problems when in fact THEY ARE CREATING THEM. So do I want socialism? Heck no. I have more than the average American and I'm not looking to give it all away. But I do think business needs to be brought under tighter control. American free enterprise is the most fantastic economic system on earth, but like anything it needs some controls. Republicans will never do that. Democrats will. Regulating business is not socialism. Republicans never seem to understand that. As I said... don't worry. I won't be compromising.>> -Jerry (RoadTrip)
Originally Posted By MPierce Good luck with your change we can believe in, in a completely devided America. Angry white men? You mean like the Founding Fathers. I always love how some liberals talk about healing, compromise, and a kinder gentler nation. Trouble is what they really propose is hate filled rhetoric. The exact same thing they blanketly accuse the other side of. Looking forward to the fight.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <<I have tried to position myself as a moderate, because that is really my preferred position. But that is not accepted here kind of why I left W/E -- but there the loudness and attitude all belonged to the liberal side... unfortunately there seems to be no room to be a moderate any more- that's why I hate politics - look at some of what you typed above..if I have to get that angry and nasty towards any one group ( I was at a town hall meeting here and it wasn't all angry white men - kind of an unreal statement- and maybe what some press may want you to believe - but there are plenty of people of all types with issues with the bill-- here is the problem - Obama and group will not compromise anywhere in the middle and neither will those against him-- so we accomplish nothing as usual except further dividing this country. Great tactics on both sides.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 but like anything it needs some controls. Republicans will never do that. Democrats will. Regulating business is not socialism. Republicans never seem to understand that. Democrats will-- based on what ? Just look at the 100% controlled state and Chicago governmental slates in Illinois - the most corrupt state in the nation and there isn't a single Republican to blame anywhere - sorry. Democratic control means nothing - even with 100% control the ones here only care to slice the graft pie their way...so I'm not buying that doctrine. When the party emerges with the people that I believe can actually do what you want - I'll sign up. They ar enot here today. do you forget the .com fiasco was under Democratic admin ? They controlled that right ? politicians are politicians today - neother party standing in front of trying to control off shoring ( that has eaten 10 million + white collar jobs in 12-13 years... all protect their interests
Originally Posted By Socrates So what system of government would you recommend we adopt? Socrates "The unexamined life is not worth living."
