Originally Posted By dshyates As I've said before, I DON'T have a problem with this rule. I do find it curious that thier most kid friendly high end restaurant is going kid free. But not a problem, it also happens to be their most high end of the high ends so its now kid free. I wouldn't want screaming kids in there either. I also know that if I chose to take my 7 and 11 year old daughters tonight, they would be well dressed and respectful. Even if they were slapping each other in the car in the parking lot, inside they would be fine. Mr. X is asking how I can claim unimaginable. Well to be honest, I don't know. I really don't know what I would do if they stared slapping each other in a nice restaurant. It's never happened. They simply seem to undersand that you don't act like that when you dress up and go out in public. We go to plays (Lion King, Beuty and the Beast), Cirque, Blue Man, nice restaurants, and Church. And they never do act up in public. I can't see them breaking into a squealing fit at V$As anymore than during the sermon at church. I really just can't imagine it happening. Our situation is a little different. Usually its just Me and my 2 kids. So when we are out to dinner I'm activey engaging them in conversation and reminding the younger one to put her napkin in her lap and helping her with which fork to use. And to really be honest I can't see myself taking my kids to V$As. With so many restaurants like Rainforest to chose from I have always chosen something they would like more. We were going to go to Emeril's. But that didn't happen. But if, like, my parents wanted to "take the family" to V$As I wouldn't have hesitated on taking them. And the concern of them acting up wouldn't have even of occured to me. But I would get irritated with obnoxious children crawling around the room. At this point I think my 11 year old would be pointing and whispering to me about the wild monkey someone let in. When I would chose to take them to a nice restaurant is when we are in a city with limited cool choices and all you are left with is nice. But with the kids when I'm given the choice of 4 stars like Emeril's or Trader Vic's I know the kids would like Trader Vic's more because its cooler. So thats where we go. Seriously what Disney freak wouldn't enjoy stepping out of downtown Atlanta into the Polynesian for a couple of hours. I simply love themed entertainment. And for me that extends to resorts and restaurants. If you grow up where the most highly themed building in town is the Long John Silvers. You quickly figure out that in the big city almost everything is themed. Even those metro chic neon and chillaxation jazz Martini Lounges. And high end restaurants such as Savannah Reds in Charlotte, NC. Back in August we went to Savannah Reds followed by the road show of the Lion King and not once did the kids threaten to call child services because I was abusing them.
Originally Posted By fkurucz I understand that there are still kids out there that know how to behave. But there is no way for the restaurant staff to know which ones will behave and which ones won't. Sure they can ask the unruly ones to leave, but the damage has been done by that point, and there is always the possibility that the parents will make a scene as well. With all the restaurants in WDW, I really see no problem with not allowing kids at V&A's. Besides, as a formerly well behaved kid, I remember how BORING it can be to go to ones of those "grown up" restaurants where you have to constantly be on your best behavior.
Originally Posted By CMDad <<So when we are out to dinner I'm activey engaging them in conversation and reminding the younger one to put her napkin in her lap and helping her with which fork to use.>> Hmmm ... nowadays it is my daughter (or sometimes Son and daughter-in-law) telling ME those things ... <sigh>
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Remember Dave - you and I have IOUs for a meal together!> you betcha - and will make that happen one day I am confident. We are still working on our plans for a UK-Ireland trip - as my daughter stayed in college one more year than expected - completing a second major - so that put a crimp in most everything else - so it looks like 2009 now - a delayed 30th anniversary trip. We'll go to a top flight restaurant - kids and all
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Ok-- I missed a few days so I have to go back and catch up - but for the record ( and maybe this is already in those 120 posts tobe read ) - the Sunday Paper here is Chicago actually covered this story - and you know how many families with kids we are talking about here - 3 per month ! Yep - that was worth putting an edict out for.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <I wonder if I complain enough I can get them to ban kids at all the premier eating locations. I don't want to hear screaming kids at Ca Grill anymore than V&As. Or Artist Pointe. For that matter, I don't want to hear screaming kids ruining my MK visit either.< Cali Grill would tick me off even more-- that has been a last night - family meal for fireworks since my kids were small. see this is what I foresee happening - and the comment made earlier was a good one - where does it stop ? Old people - hey you know late at night they get crabby ( I know - I am one) - maybe only people who have platinum - or better yet - higher level cards $75-100K limit min. to show they are worthy of that experience ?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <This is the 178th message in this topic ... and I still don't see that it is such an issue ... V&A should have ALWAYS been no youngsters allowed. Will this rule really ruin so many WDW vacations?< If it ruins just 1 - for no good reason - isn't that enough? It obviously won't ruin many as only 3 families a month bring their kids there - but hey - let's clean that up - too much.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Should kids also be allowed to hang out at bars? How 'bout marijuana bars in Holland...that okay too?< already been explained their are age restricted places base don adult content - food is not adult content - but hey- hyperbole is king !
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <My kids and I love to do a mix of things - yesterday we had burritos and rocked out on Guitar Hero 3 on the Wii. Another time we might go to a museum, a nice meal and on to the theatre (well Mikey anyway for the theatre, Jess is a little too young currently). And we enjoy all our time together. < maybe we are the freaks in the world Dave -- not demanding our ME time where we HAVE to get away because we just can;t have those da*n kids around. < I think Marriott does something really well. In some of their resorts, the SPA and the restaurants have different hours - some are adult only, some are family time. For the same venues. This works really well!< Geez, out thought by Marriott mgmt - that's high praise for the WDW staff. For the 3 families a month - they couldn't say 1st seating only ?
Originally Posted By Perdie I was just watching Fox News and they did a segment on Disneyworld banning kids form V & A, and they had a woman on who was saying how awful it is. Neil Cavuto was defending disney when the woman (stephanie) said "Adults going to disneyworld is creepy." Can you believe that????? My husband and I are 30 years old with no kids and we love disney!! we are not creepy!!!!!!!!
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Well, at the age of 33, I can pretty much say that I would be bored at V&A's about 30 minutes into the thing. Those sort of long, drawn-out pretentious dining rooms aren't my cup of tea. I guess if you want your kids to grow up to be pretentious, I might understand the appeal in taking them there. < maybe we're getting closer to the real issue here. What makes them dining at a nice restaurant pretentious ? Is it the same if they want to go to an art museum. My 13 year old also takes part in Civil War recreations here yearly - as a character ( yet she is a standout athlete - so not a one interest kid) - does that make her pretentious ? I think it allows her to know how to function in all kids of environments - so she isn't bored when she goes out into the business world and might have to attend functions like this... let's lower the bar for all kids so that no one becomes an achiever - let alone maybe an overachiever...
Originally Posted By Perdie Sorry I meant she said Adults going to disneyworld ALONE without kids is creepy....
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Sure they can ask the unruly ones to leave, but the damage has been done by that point, and there is always the possibility that the parents will make a scene as well. < do they know which parents - or adults coming in will be unruly or cause a scene -? Do they give them a breathalizer to see if maybe they have been drinking too much before they even arrive - or does this never happen ?
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << I think it allows her to know how to function in all kids of environments - so she isn't bored when she goes out into the business world and might have to attend functions like this... >> Is there really a whole lot to learn about eating overpriced food in a restaurant? Of course, I'm usually bored when I have to attend these sorts of things in the business world, too. Not much business every really gets conducted and it's usually just an excuse to drink alcohol on the company's dime.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ><Sorry I meant she said Adults going to disneyworld ALONE without kids is creepy....>< then she is as goofy as this new rule -- we are talking 3 families per month. Let's say 1 of them misbehaves - for the sake of argument - do they not have more issues with adults per month than that ?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <<< I think it allows her to know how to function in all kids of environments - so she isn't bored when she goes out into the business world and might have to attend functions like this... >> Is there really a whole lot to learn about eating overpriced food in a restaurant? Of course, I'm usually bored when I have to attend these sorts of things in the business world, too. Not much business every really gets conducted and it's usually just an excuse to drink alcohol on the company's dime. < It has nothing to do with the price of the food ( which is where you seem to have your issue ) - it has to do with being able to act appropriately in different settings. It costs no more to get into an Art Museum than a video game room, but there is a certain level of behavior expected at either. I have business meals maybe 50 times per year across the globe - and yes some people use them as a liquor license, and others get work accomplished at them. The ones who use them as a liquor license usually aren't back for the follow up meetings the next year --
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>I have business meals maybe 50 times per year across the globe - and yes some people use them as a liquor license, and others get work accomplished at them. The ones who use them as a liquor license usually aren't back for the follow up meetings the next year -- <<< Indeed, my business dinners probably lead to 70% of my business deals. And that helped me grow my business by 120% over the last 2 years to become number 3 in the UK from a start up. I am a great believer in breaking bread - breakfast, lunch or dinner, being a great way to build relationships. People buy people. And over dinner, one gets much better acquainted than in a 1 hr window meeting.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Now if you'll excuse me, I have to go to bed now, I have a breakfast meeting with one company, and a dinner meeting with the board tomorrow.
Originally Posted By danyoung >Is there really a whole lot to learn about eating overpriced food in a restaurant? < Pretty much everyone who's ever eaten at V&A's will call it expensive. Practically no one will call it overpriced. >...we are talking 3 families per month...< Can you expand on this? Where did this figure come from? What was the context of the statement?
