Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt The thing that maddening about this is that it's winning by only 400,000 votes. Ugh.
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Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Rail on, rail on. Truth and righteousness will ultimately prevail, but we've known extreme wickedness would reign first. It's been expected and prophecied. But we still fight for what's right." Truth and righteousness prefvial when your kind is kicked to the curb. Until then, enjoy the hate, bigot.
Originally Posted By barboy ///But it isn't right to extend a civil liberties to someone and then take them away/// I'd call it more 'civil rights' than 'civil liberties'
Originally Posted By mele I think it's pretty obvious to everyone involved in these threads that Josh wouldn't know truth if it came up to him and started wiggling on his face. Nowhere has he stated the truth. He tried to con us with some lies but when those lies were exposed...nada. I'm quite comfortable stating that he does not know the truth.
Originally Posted By utahjosh I don't hate gay people. I don't. I hope they get all the civil rights they want. But don't change what marriage means.
Originally Posted By utahjosh All these cries for freedom and rights and tolerance - go for it! Get them! But don't take marriage and sanctify homosexuality.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "But don't take marriage and sanctify homosexuality." How is it being sanctified here? The license to marry is issued by the State, not the LDS Church. Obviously, no matter how many times this is told to you, you can't seem to grasp that concept.
Originally Posted By mele If your marriage gets to be sanctified in all of it's sick glory, who are you to tell someone else theirs cannot be?
Originally Posted By dshyates Guys, sometimes you have to shrug and walk away. Whats that old saying? "You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink." Josh and ElderP aren't changing their minds. Period. There is nothing you can say or do that will get them to change their view. It would be like trying to tell the 9/11 hijackers they were wrong. They "knew" in their heart of hearts that flying multiple airplanes fill with innocents into American icons was the right thing to do. No discussion would have changed that. Same here. Religion can convince people to commit the most heinous acts in the name of "Righteousness".
Originally Posted By mele This is true but I still would have liked for them to put forth some sort of truth. I don't expect them to agree but I wish they'd quite lying and pretending that they've got some sort of truth on their side or that they've made convincing arguments. Just admit that you think gay sex is gross and want gays as hidden as possible. Is asking for a wee bit of integrity that difficult? They clearly don't care how we perceive them, so why cling to such a joke of an excuse. If you like having our scorn so much, then why not just admit the real truth behind your beliefs?
Originally Posted By utahjosh Let's remember what supporting Prop 8 did: It made marriage mean one man = one woman. Gay people aren't being persecuted by me or my friends. I support civil rights to be equally given to ALL.
Originally Posted By mele Saying that doesn't make it true. We can see that you don't. It's not that hard to see the truth for all of us, josh.
Originally Posted By utahjosh <want gays as hidden as possible.> I do think gay sex is gross. Most gays probably think hetro sex is gross. But I don't want to hide gay people. I also don't want the government to encourage homosexual activity.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder I'll admit it. After seeing so many gay people cry last night for a multitude of reasons, none of which have to do with Obama winning but for Prop 8 failing, I want him to cry. At a minimum. Does josh have any idea how many people this morning feel that their state just told them they aren't worth as much as the rest of us? That they're inferior? That people were willing to believe the lies told about them? I want josh to understand the hurt and very personal hate he has perpetrated on people he doesn't even know.
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains << I support civil rights to be equally given to ALL>> That is just not true Josh - Marriage is a contract between two people. The H8 made it different.
Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains <<I do think gay sex is gross. Most gays probably think hetro sex is gross. But I don't want to hide gay people. I also don't want the government to encourage homosexual activity.>> It's not about sex Josh. It's about Love and Family. Get your mind out of their bedroom.
Originally Posted By Route66 "All these cries for freedom and rights and tolerance - go for it! Get them! But don't take marriage and sanctify homosexuality." Yes but who are you to tell another Church who they can marry and in which way they are to define marriage? YOU HAVE NO RIGHT! By and by, you will be Defeated for your dogma and Bigotry.
Originally Posted By utahjosh <It's not about sex Josh. It's about Love and Family. Get your mind out of their bedroom.> I didn't bring it up. gottaluvdavillains.
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