Originally Posted By gottaluvdavillains I know Mele -- It's that one that annoys me the most.. It's the most misleading!!
Originally Posted By mele I'm going to post this in all of the "gay" threads. I think it does an excellent job of debunking all of the so-called "consequences" if Prop 8 fails. My apologies if it's been posted before. <a href="http://www.affirmation.org/pdf...ston.pdf" target="_blank">http://www.affirmation.org/pdf...ston.pdf</a>
Originally Posted By mele Grrr. You'll have to click on the link to the pdf. <a href="http://www.affirmation.org/affinity/2008_10.shtml#3" target="_blank">http://www.affirmation.org/aff....shtml#3</a>
Originally Posted By mawnck Mele - the trouble is you're copying and pasting the LP shortened version of the link rather than the original link.
Originally Posted By mele The 2nd link works, although it only takes you to the first page. I pasted in the entire link and LP shortened them both. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't. Here's one more try but I'm only posting it in this thread. LOL <a href="http://tinyurl.com/5vbog6" target="_blank">http://tinyurl.com/5vbog6</a>
Originally Posted By mele Oh, I think I know what you mean. I was too lazy to continue posting it each time. Lazy. I'm officially tired of dealing with this link/pdf.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>I think it does an excellent job of debunking all of the so-called "consequences" if Prop 8 fails.<< Yet another case of activist cold hard facts trying to disenfranchise 40% of the voters of California. Criswell predicts Josh won't read them, and won't comprehend them if he does. They contain what Orwell called wrongthink.
Originally Posted By mele <a href="http://www.sacbee.com/110/story/1358907.html" target="_blank">http://www.sacbee.com/110/stor...907.html</a>
Originally Posted By jdub Excellent link mele! Excerpts for those shy-of-clicking: Ward Connerly: Prop. 8 is discriminatory, plain and simple By Ward Connerly Gay couples (have)the same capacity for love as anyone else, the same yearning to be part of a family structure, the same desire to be accepted and to openly share their lives in peace without the disapproving glances and resentment of their fellow citizens, the same craving for happiness that those of us who are straight have. When in doubt about public-policy matters that involve conflicting issues, I invariably go to the default position of asking myself what core values are at stake. In this case, I went to the most basic value of all, and it is stated in the Declaration of Independence: "We hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness." As I restated that passage in my mind, it dawned on me that there was no reference to sexual orientation. Only to equality based on an endowment from our Creator that included the right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. ... my conservatism is not to be measured by the extent to which I diminish the individual liberties of others, unless there is clear and demonstrable evidence of the need to do so. The California Supreme Court unequivocally held that same-sex couples have a constitutional right to marry under the California Constitution. Proposition 8 would take away that right – and I don't want to be a party to that. I admit being a traditionalist in many respects. Yes, I would prefer that our society craft some alternative term to differentiate marriage between a man and a woman and marriage between two individuals of the same sex. But my desire for this distinguishing terminology should not be a fatal requirement to accepting equal rights for same-sex couples to be united in a relationship sanctioned by the government, if the government chooses to sanction relationships of opposite-sex couples and to grant them public benefits based on their relationships. Proposition 8 doesn't do this, in my opinion. In fact, it seems to lock into the state constitution a solution that leaves no option for a different approach. I consider it discriminatory and I abhor discrimination by our government against its taxpaying citizens. That is why I am voting no on Proposition 8. <a href="http://www.sacbee.com/110/story/1358907.html" target="_blank">http://www.sacbee.com/110/stor...907.html</a>
Originally Posted By BlueDevilSF Not that it matters to most people, but Schwarzenegger doesn't support Prop. 8...
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder I was very disappointed he showed up in Ohio to support McCain. Shows how desperate McCain is, especially after Schwarzenegger questioned Palin's qualifications. Also makes our governor a bit of a hypocrite, too.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt "Not that it matters to most people, but Schwarzenegger doesn't support Prop. 8..." That isn't true. Get the facts: <a href="http://www.advocate.com/news_detail_ektid63716.asp" target="_blank">http://www.advocate.com/news_d...3716.asp</a> >>No worries, says Schwarzenegger political spokeswoman Julie Soderlund. Asked several times about any changes in the governor’s position, Soderlund genially repeated the same sentence: “The governor does not support Proposition 8.”<<
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Hans I read that several times now. Its 6 am in my part of the world and I am fairly drunk lol....but arent you just agreeing with what Bluedevil said, that he doesnt support prop 8?? I even read the article you posted and it said the same thing. What is Bluedevil missing?
Originally Posted By Mr X It gets confusing, all the "yes" and "no" stuff. DOESN'T support the proposition means they support the rights of gays. In other words, say "no" to discrimination.
Originally Posted By Hans Reinhardt >>Hans I read that several times now. Its 6 am in my part of the world and I am fairly drunk lol....but arent you just agreeing with what Bluedevil said, that he doesnt support prop 8??<< God, I'm an idiot. Thanks for catching that WD! My apologies to Bluedevil. I keep getting the yes and no mixed up on this issue. Hopefully I'll check the right box on Tuesday!
