Originally Posted By TomSawyer >>I still don't see how you can be a liberal democrat and a Christian at the same time without haveing major conflict in your life.<< There's a lot of things you don't understand, Beau. Try listening for a while. Stop putting false labels on people and pay attention to what they are saying instead of trying to force what they are saying into your preconcieved notions about them.
Originally Posted By woody "Try listening for a while. Stop putting false labels on people and pay attention to what they are saying instead of trying to force what they are saying into your preconcieved notions about them." There is a reason for discussion groups. Not everyone believes in the same thing despite the arguments that you think are SO CONVINCING. You show your own "preconcieved notions." It's amazing how prejudging is only the vice of Beau when TomSawyer disagrees. TomSawyer really should learn to listen to the ideas being expressed instead of labeling Beau as prejudiced. Did I just call Tom what Tom called Beau? How ironic.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer If there were ideas being expressed, I'd listen. Writing "that's why you guys don't win elections" for the thousandth time, or thinking that you don't have to back up what you're writing with links to evidence or support aren't ideas, though.
Originally Posted By StillThePassHolder It sure seems woody has appointed himself the attack dog of the right lately.
Originally Posted By cmpaley >><<Some right wingers and some left wingers are awesome Christians.>> <<The ones who make a big deal about it and talk about pride (one of the seven deadly sins) and such are the ones who don't get it. They're NOT awesome Christians.>> I rest my case.<< What case? You haven't says ANYTHING, let alone a case. My point is that you will know the real Christians by their spiritual fruits...the way they live their lives. The ones that make a big fuss over being a Christian and the like usually don't have much fruit. They're the ones you kvetched about in Post 15. A real Christian knows that it's not wise to judge others because the measure with which ones judges others is the measure with which God will be judged them. Better to show mercy so God will be merciful. Funny...seems I read something like that somewhere in the first part of the Gospel according to St. Matthew.
Originally Posted By Beaumandy When liberals are the ones leading the charge against christianity and God in America with the help of their liberal buddies in the ACLU, it's impossible to be a christian and a liberal and not be at odds with yourself.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Right wing fundamentalists have damaged Christianity far more than any liberal or ACLU suit ever could.
Originally Posted By Bruiser "When liberals are the ones leading the charge against christianity and God in America with the help of their liberal buddies in the ACLU, it's impossible to be a christian and a liberal and not be at odds with yourself." STILL trying to bait people into a fight with this nonsense? It could easily be said that it is impossible to see how conservatives with little or no compassion could be Christians of any sort, while Democrats, the party who could be accused of too much compassion, sleep soundly at night. But that would be incredibly harsh, arrogant and judgmental of me to do such a thing. You go right ahead, though.
Originally Posted By friendofdd C'mon folks, you can come up with a lot more cliches about the left and right.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<<STILL trying to bait people into a fight with this nonsense? It could easily be said that it is impossible to see how conservatives with little or no compassion could be Christians of any sort, while Democrats, the party who could be accused of too much compassion, sleep soundly at night. But that would be incredibly harsh, arrogant and judgmental of me to do such a thing. You go right ahead, though.>>> To much compassion you have to be kidding. Lets look at what Michelle Malkin had to say yesterday about the Democrat's compassion. Janeane Garofalo, left-wing actress-turned-Air America radio host, is a miserable woman. Last week before the holidays, she turned up on cable TV. No, not to count her blessings -- but to rant against conservative journalist Bob Novak, author Ann Coulter, and the Fox News Channel. She didn't have anything better to do for Thanksgiving? Accessorized by a permanent scowl (hard to believe she was once considered a comedienne), Ms. Garofalo accused conservatives of having "an anger management problem." Without a trace of irony, the frowning Garofalo griped about "right-wing partisan hacks" who "are always on the verge of punching somebody or always behave as if they've just been cut off in traffic." This, dear readers, is a classic case of liberal projection. Like CNN executive Jonathan Klein, who derided Fox's audience as full of "angry white men, and those men tend to be rabid," and liberal comedian Bill Maher, who also railed that "Republicans need anger management" and are possessed with a "vein-popping, gut-churning rage that consumes the entire right wing," Ms. Garofalo crossly blames the Right while denying the pathological wrath and fury that characterize the unhinged Left. Who are you calling angry, Ms. Garofalo? You want political road rage? Let's start with Al. Take your pick: Sharpton. Gore. Franken. Yearrghh! Now, open your eyes: It isn't out-of-control conservatives tossing Molotov cocktails at police officers in San Francisco, burning American soldiers in effigy, and smearing pig's blood and feces on the walls and windows of military recruitment centers across the country to protest on behalf of peace. It isn't rage-blinded conservative professors who embrace fragging (the murder of American soldiers by their fellow soldiers on the battlefield) as a legitimate anti-war tactic. It isn't vengeful conservatives torching SUVs, condo developments, and research facilities, and targeting biotech and pharmaceutical company employees and their families to protest on behalf of the environment. It wasn't mad conservatives sporting "F--- Bush" license plates, punching cardboard cutouts of the president, and vowing to secede after losing the 2004 presidential election. It wasn't rabid conservatives who gloated over Ronald Reagan's death or John Ashcroft's pancreatitis. It wasn't a gut-busting conservative journalist who vowed to kill herself if Dick Cheney ran for president. (That would be the perpetually aggrieved Helen Thomas.) It wasn't hate-filled Republican officials who reportedly screamed "faggot" and "fruitcake" and "I'll break your nose" at their political opponents. (Those were all Democrats: Pennsylvania state legislator Vincent Fumo, California Rep. Pete Stark, and Virginia Rep. Jim Moran, respectively.) It isn't fanatical conservatives joking about the assassination of President Bush and the execution of his Republican aides. (That, Ms. Garofalo, would include your Air America colleagues. But I'll forgive you if you weren't tuned in to them. Few are.) And it wasn't ruthless conservatives who cheered last week when a liberal Bush-hater wrote on the popular DemocraticUnderground.com website last week: I am an American, Born and Raised, but I am NOT a citizen of BUSH'S America. I want nothing to do with the country these people have created. And for those who support them, Let's get Something Nice And Sparkling CLEAR: Stay The [F---] Away From Me. Stay OUT of my personal space. I want NOTHING from you. I want NOTHING to do with you. I want NOTHING to do with your "vision" of what the world should be. What DO I want from you? Honestly? I will freely admit there are days, and they are becoming more than not, that the Alien at Area 51 in Independence Day and I share quite a common ground on the answer to that question. And I am NOT apologizing for it. In the words of the Late, Great Bill Hicks, about the most conciliatory thing I can say for those people at this point is simply this: Kill Yourself Sure sounds compassionate to me <not>.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer I was wondering where you picked up the phrase "liberal projection". For everything that she cited, there is a parallel from the conservative side.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Show me the equivalant of the Democrats asking everyone else to "Kill Themselves". Actaully I was thinking of the word Projecting when I heard you and cmpaley saying Libertarians are selfish complainers and won't do anything for their community. Many believe those are traits and many attribute to the Democratic Party not Libertarian.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Face it Tom your party is not longer the Party of FDR, its the party of Michael Moore and his kind. Zell was right when we said "national party no more".
Originally Posted By TomSawyer And your party is no longer the party of Lincoln and of responsible, adult leadership.
