Originally Posted By SpokkerJones The problem with 3D is that you gain depth but lose image fidelity. The flicker effect also gives me a headache. I think a high resolution picture at 60 FPS does more to create immersion and depth than 3D, and you don't lose picture quality.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones I think this is the final word on 3D: <a href="http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2011/01/post_4.html" target="_blank">http://blogs.suntimes.com/eber...t_4.html</a> The letter he received is from a film editor who worked on Captain EO, among other things. Unless Star Tours 3D makes some super secret advance in 3D filmnaking that has never been presented before, I fear the experience here will be ruined by 3D as well.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>^^Our dear EPCOTExplorer actually has a pretty good theory on that subject, but I'll leave it to him to divulge or not.<<< I've spoke about this, with Spirit, before... If it comes us, it comes up. But I'm not exactly eager to wave this around.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> ^^Who cares, though? << It was not meant to be a matter of caring. It was meant to be an area of conversation. >> Disney has its marketing down pat. Even tossing out the same stock footage ... even interchanging WDW and DLR footage like its the same ... even with nothing new of substance for years in FLA ... they get the rubes to come. << Let's see now. Exactly how many days have you spent there over the last year? >> Do you think LP.com could handle a thread on fans and mental illness? And, yes, that's a serious question (just like I firmly believe ... maybe know would be a better term ... that it is a large problem in the fan community). << Certainly LP could handle a topic on fan mental illness. However, out of all the times I've been to WDW, I have never felt like I was a participant in a scene from One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest. Where are you running across these deranged fans at by the way? Do you consider a person mentally ill just because they have a passion for something they enjoy? Now this one poor lady, in particular, that has cleanliness issues, that dresses up like Princess Leia, and attends all the Star War week-ends could possibly have some mental issues. I just think the folks on most Disney forums have a love of the Disney product. I must admit WDW is hard for me to pass on. Even as jaded as I've become. I won't bother to ask you if you think I'm mentally ill. As I would fear being bombarded with so many negative replys that I would have to resort to wiping my tears on poor little Winky.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> I've spoke about this, with Spirit, before... If it comes us, it comes up. But I'm not exactly eager to wave this around. << Now I'm going to have to spend the rest of my life in agony wondering what the heck you are talking about.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> It's honestly not that big of a deal. LOL << That's what the world said after Hitler invaded Poland.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<How is it even a controversy?>> It shouldn't be ... but most people reading this will likely think I'm talking about them. I don't think every fan is a nutjob ... but I do think the fan community has changed immeasurably over the past 20 years (moreso the last dozen as the Internet has exploded) and there are so many damaged spirits out there who view Disney in a mystical way tha frankly scares the (blank) out of me. <<Disney fandom (hell, most fandom) and mental illness go hand in hand. This is why members of a particular fandom construct safe havens to act out their obsessions on the Internet. Outsiders believe you to be weird, insane or even a drain on society (and they may be right to varying degrees), but as long as you only interact with like-minded people, you're safe. >> I agree, but only to a point. I've met many wonderful fans who (much like myself) are fairly well-adjusted people who live their lives every day without thinking about Disney, theme parks, toons or vinylmation. They love Disney ... be it parks, resorts, animation etc ... but their lives aren't centered around it. They don't live lives based on what Disney did today (even friends who work for said company!) Then, well there are the folks who view Disney as part of them. People who lack so much in their lives and absolutely would be diagnosed with mutiple mental illnesses if seen by professionals. They view Disney almost like a cult. Their lives are centered around the Mouse. And they are scary (was 'trapped' at sea with some for two weeks last spring). I don't recall people like this back in my formative days as a Disney fan. I first saw this type in the late 90s and now they are the meat and taters of the Disney fan community. I feel very detatched from it ... <<About the only fandom that is actually okay seems to be sports. As long as you don't cover yourself up in paint, you can pretty much obsess over pointless professional sports all the time and nobody will think you are any less of a man. In fact, it is your God-given right to be unreasonable and crazy about sports, sports and more sports. >> I can enjoy sports. But fans that are way out there scare me too ... usually moreso since they actually drink while most Disney nutjobs tend to not be able to handle alcohol. When you paint your house in aqua and orange because you are a Miami Dolphins fan ... when you haven't missed a game in decades ... when you go to practices in July covered in war paint ... that's scary too!
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 "And no matter how good Star Tours 2.0 is, it isn't enough to begin to make up for a Decade of Decline." <<If it's in 3D, how good can it be when the central area of focus is blurry and flickery with muddied colors? Unless they used a 3D technology that fixes all of those problems, I'm not sure how immersive of an experience it can be. Roger Ebert sets us straight on the appeal of 3D: "3-D is a distraction and an annoyance. Younger moviegoers may think they like it because they've been told to, and picture quality is usually far from their minds. But for anyone who would just like to be left alone to see the darned thing, like me, it's a constant nudge in the ribs saying never mind the story, just see how neat I look." I think the same applies to 3D in theme parks.>> Well, I think 3D in film is a cheap gimmick designed to do nothing more than add $3-4 a ticket. Saw PoC 4: OST last week at a screening and thought the 3D really took me out of the film at times.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >>>^^Our dear EPCOTExplorer actually has a pretty good theory on that subject, but I'll leave it to him to divulge or not.<<< <<I've spoke about this, with Spirit, before... If it comes us, it comes up. But I'm not exactly eager to wave this around. >> I hope you don't think this thread has anything to do with anything we have discussed offline ... this has to do with the general state of fans today. If you wish to comment, then by all means go for it ... but this does NOT have a thing to do with the specific circumstances we discussed last week.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones Passion is great, but if an obsession keeps you from tending to your job or your family or other responsibilities, then that's when it gets unhealthy. It also becomes a problem when one expends so much effort and energy to achieve a specific thing that is really insignificant when all is said and done. Spending unreasonable amounts of effort to hunt down a specific pin or overpaying for merchandise because you have to have it. Now that I'm older, spending three hours in line just to be the first to ride or buy something seems ludicrous to me.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >> ^^Who cares, though? << <<It was not meant to be a matter of caring. It was meant to be an area of conversation.>> I got that. I'm just being my charming self. >> Disney has its marketing down pat. Even tossing out the same stock footage ... even interchanging WDW and DLR footage like its the same ... even with nothing new of substance for years in FLA ... they get the rubes to come. << <<Let's see now. Exactly how many days have you spent there over the last year?>> Much fewer than in years past. And much of my time has had to do with spending time with people who live or were visiting O-Town. Want to ask me about the time I spent on the Disney Magic? Or at DLR? Or in HKDL? Or (my favorite) at TDR? Because those were all places I went without needing an 'excuse' of friends and family to enjoy! >> Do you think LP.com could handle a thread on fans and mental illness? And, yes, that's a serious question (just like I firmly believe ... maybe know would be a better term ... that it is a large problem in the fan community). << <<Certainly LP could handle a topic on fan mental illness. However, out of all the times I've been to WDW, I have never felt like I was a participant in a scene from One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest.>> I'm sure your meds mixed with drinks has had an effect on your ability to perceive the MAGIC. <<Where are you running across these deranged fans at by the way? >> They're all over and very, very hard to miss. <<Do you consider a person mentally ill just because they have a passion for something they enjoy?>> Hell, no. And you know that. ... There's a difference between being passionate about Disney (or anything else) and being obsessed and having the passion take over one's existence. <<Now this one poor lady, in particular, that has cleanliness issues, that dresses up like Princess Leia, and attends all the Star War week-ends could possibly have some mental issues. I just think the folks on most Disney forums have a love of the Disney product.>> I think a lot more folks have more issues than you might care to believe. <<I must admit WDW is hard for me to pass on. Even as jaded as I've become.>> Sadly, it's become so much easier for me to pass when it means I can take transatlantic cruises or visit Tokyo or Hong Kong or London or Paris or NYC or Amsterdam or Las Vegas or Hawaii or Alaska or any of the 30 countries I've been to in the past half-dozen years. Why would I spend what I used to at WDW when the product is tired and I'm tired of the product? <<I won't bother to ask you if you think I'm mentally ill. As I would fear being bombarded with so many negative replys that I would have to resort to wiping my tears on poor little Winky. >> I actually don't feel you are mentally ill, but both Mrs. Pierce and Winky have told me to rethink that opinion!
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I'm not around the parks as much as you are. but I've really never noticed what you are talking about. I guess on average a hard-core Disney fan scares me a whole lot less than your average Trekkie...
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Hey, I am both a former hard core Disney fan and a trekkie. Also a Star Wars fan. For the record, back in my more Disney obsessive days (and yes, I was one of these scary fans), my mom used to threaten me with a shrink, especially in the 80's, when all my spare time was designing parks and attractions (then again, I was a kid). Now, I would like to think I am better adjusted, and no longer am under the spell. Disney is a different company today, and that means it is cheaper for me now. The compulsion is gone because the real magic is gone too. Thanks Iger.
Originally Posted By Bolna During the past few years I have noticed a trend towards a crazier attitude towards Disney as well. I think that there are certain online areas which let those people connect with each other and they are continously reiforcing each other. There is one group which has the title "The Disney Driven Life". I don't know much about them, so I don't want to say that they are all insane. But just the notion that Disney should have such an influence on someone's life is scary to me.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I hope you don't think this thread has anything to do with anything we have discussed offline ... this has to do with the general state of fans today. If you wish to comment, then by all means go for it ... but this does NOT have a thing to do with the specific circumstances we discussed last week.<<< Of course not! Still, too much to put that whole thing online.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer And like I said, not exactly eager to wave those sorts of claims around in the faces of people that it might concern. Unless necessary.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>Now that I'm older, spending three hours in line just to be the first to ride or buy something seems ludicrous to me.<<< I never could see the sanity in that. I think my max is about an hour and it must be something that I really would like to see and probably won't have another opportunity. The concept of all nighters, camping in line to see or do something is frankly impossible for me to wrap my brain around.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>As always I counter with Penn Jillette's critique of the phrase, "Get a life." and all is well.<< Jillette is spot on. The presurre to conform is great. One of my pet peeves about "diversity in the workplace" is that it's lip service. It's all dandy if you have a quaint accent or practice an exotic religion at home. But I still recall all the kvetching about how some of our foreign born staff were "long winded" and too "consensus oriented". American Corporate Culture values being brief and terse in your communications, and when it came down to what really mattered you had best behave like a gringo. It isn't just Japan where the nail that stands out gets hammered down.
