Originally Posted By Labuda "Do you think LP.com could handle a thread on fans and mental illness? And, yes, that's a serious question (just like I firmly believe ... maybe know would be a better term ... that it is a large problem in the fan community)." I say go for it, Spirit. As I believe I've mentioned here before, my Disney fandom calmed down and evened out and no longer required me to ALWAYS be counting down to my next Disney trip 3 days after I decided to get divorced. Obviously, I was using Disney as a way to escape the real world and my crappy marriage. Now that I'm mostly happy and totally single, I'm good with Disney World MUCH less often (haven't been since Dec 09 and don't have any trips planned right now). Oh, but I do have a blue sky Uni trip planned right now... just need to figure out when I can get my trip buddy to go with me.
Originally Posted By Manfried "Jillette is spot on. The presurre to conform is great." I'm disagreeable and brutally honest about it. But then most posters think I'm being insulting and don't like the truth.
Originally Posted By leobloom MPierce, you're the kind of guy who likes to pull the foamheads off the characters just to make the kids cry. You need some pixie dust in your life, mister. Let's recite line for line the entire opening-day script of the Tiki Room including the controversial and seldom-heard jokes about the birds pooping on the audience's heads.
Originally Posted By Labuda With thanks to disneylies.com: Female cast member: Welcome to Walt Disney's Enchanted Room, paid for entirely by a generous donation from our friends at Dole Pineapple. I'd like to introduce you to the star of our show José. José , wake up! José: Caw! Burritos dais, señiorita. My siestas was too short, but this is better than picking grapes. Oh, what a lot of people. Welcome, people, to Walt Disney's Enchanted Tiki Room presented by our friends at Dole Pineapple. Hey Michael, me gringo. Wake up, it's show time. Michael: Aye captain, and what dear lads and lassies these be sittin' below me. Pierre you bonnie lad, let's put on the show. Pierre: Moaning me, I am always ready to, how do you say, "putting on the show." [Whistles] Pardon me, madam, that whistle was not for the view down your blouse, but for my friend Fritz. Fritz: Ach imleavin! I almost fell out of rank! Glad to see so many people all in nice orderly rows. Mine Führer, what are you staring at? We had better get this biergarten moving. Michael: Aye lad, but first we must wake up the fair lassies in the glee club. Sounds of other birds chirping and singing José: Tormé! Tormé! It's show time. All birds: In the pina-, pina-, pinia-, pina-napple room. In the pina-, pina-, pinia-, pina-napple room. José: All the birds sing songs. Michael: Of our favorite fruit, in the pina-, pina-, pinia-, pina-napple room. José: Welcome to our succulent aviary, made of teak wood and birch. I'd come down there and give you a kiss, if I weren't nailed to my perch. All together! All birds: In the pina-, pina-, pinia-, pina-napple room. In the pina-, pina-, pinia-, pina-napple room. José: All the birds sing songs Michael: Of our favorite fruit, in the pina-, pina-, pinia-, pina-napple room. Fritz: I am so glorious, I should start a fourth reich. José: Yes, so rank we can't stand you. Pierre: My singing may not be perfect, but my voice, it is a treat. Michael: More like a retreat, I'd say. Isn't that right Herr Fritz? Fritz: Whoo, whoo! I think Pierre's circuits have no resistance. José: Me burritos, stop the chatter, you sound like Congress is in session. There are many more birds here who want a turn. Michael: The boy's in the back are called dodo birds. José: 'Cause they don't know the words? Michael: 'Cause they're dodos and birds! And the big crowd of birds is all passenger pigeons, in such a big bunch that they block your vision. Bird chirping, gunfire José: The elephant bird won't take any bunk, but will get up and leave with a packed-up trunk. The birds you have as pets might fly away or die, but the Tiki Room birds are made to not even try. All birds: In the pina-, pina-, pinia-, pina-napple room. In the pina-, pina-, pinia-, pina-napple room José: All the birds sing songs Michael: Of our favorite fruit All birds: In the pina-, pina-, pinia-, pina-napple room. José: Our pinapple-sponsored show is really very neat, and all of the birds have gears in them instead of meat. We know that once you've seen the show you're sure to laude it, and run out to the store to buy the sponsor's product! All birds: In the pina-, pina-, pinia-, pina-napple room. In the pina-, pina-, pinia-, pina-napple room. All the birds sing songs of our favorite fruit in the pina-, pina-, pinia-, pina-napple room. José: Let's give all the birdies a big batch of the clap. Pierre: We, we -- applaud! Applaud! José: And now señiors and señiorettas please turn your taco tasters to the middle. Of the place, that is. We now present the Magically Delicious Dole Whip Fountain. Fritz: Ach du witerzein! And the wonderbra tweet mobile. There are birds on it that march around in perfect rows and tweet. That's why they call it the tweet mobile. Michael: Aye, and a bonnie breeze of lassies there are. Pierre: Mydamn and masseuse, I present to you the lovely ladies, just like La Cage but with plumper plumage. Barbara, Paula, Marta, Sherrie, Daisy, Bruce Lee. José: Columbo, where is my little Rosita[1]? Tweet mobile birds: Let's all eat what the birdies eat. Dole, Dole, Dole, Dole, Dole. Let's all eat what the birdies eat. It's good for your soul. Let's swallow a whole pineapple. Dig it like a mole. Take your time, eat some fruit, sing out loud, don't be cute. Dole, Dole, Dole, Dole, Dole. José [imitating Bing Crosby]: Let's all eat what the birdies eat. Pineapple, p-pineapple, p-pineapple. Michael [imitating Al Jolson]: Let's all eat what the birdies eat. Oh Mammy, Mammy floating on the Swanie. Pierre [imitating Joe Penner]: Let's all gobble down pineapples. Hey, wanna buy a duck? Have a snack with the birds, please don't choke on the words, sing that sponsored song. José: Now we want all of you watching to start squawking. In the all together now. José leads audience in singing the delicious Dole pineapple song. José: Si, si! Applause! Cheer your mariachis. Fritz: Wonderbra! Wonderbra! That was better than beer and pretzels. Pierre: Ah, magnifeet! José: Si, no one blew a fuse but me. Michael: And now laddies and lassies we have a loch-sized treat for you. Fritz: Yeah, the Führer commands that you enjoy it. Pierre: Moaningme, do not speak if you can not speak correctly. Masseur and metamucil, now we present entertainment better than Jerry Lewis -- le singing flowers Flowers: Ta too ee de plane e plane e la e la Ay you he a la we he she they a he la Pu pu tray to me be see lay I la Hand u hippo cheetah pubah leechee Runa way Ahhhh da kil la Runa way Ahhh da kil la. I weigh ah lahahot I weigh a lahahot Blah, blah, you way a lot Blah, blah, you way a lot. Ta too e yo ma yo ma she ga na dis oh nya An you pierce a la you pa pa ga na dis oh nya Bu you fren to say you so so coo la Hand lip teeth eye lashee Hand lip teeth eye lashee Runa way Ahhhh da kil la Runa way Ahhh da kil la, da kil la, da kil la, daaaa killll laaaa Totem poles chant invocation for Armageddon then reprise followed by darkness, thunder, and shrieking children. Pierre: Croissant! I think a new king is raining. José: Either that or you finally took a shower. Fritz: Silence! The mighty Thor has been enraged by the bad jokes and horrible stereotypes. We should retreat to our bunker. Pierre: Mouser and milan, it's time to bid you dudu,. We hope you will treasure the time we have spent together in Walt Disney's Enchanted Tiki Room sponsored by the princely people at Dole. Birds: The birdies ate their fruit. Birds chirp Birds: You heard the flowers toot. Flowers: No toot flow wa we do sing Birds: Statues play on drums. Tikis play drums Birds: Evil totems chant. Totems summon Chernabog Birds: Goodbye and pineapple to you. José: Oil, olay! Applause. Let's give our glorious sponsor a standing ovation. Up, up I say. Everybody stand up and thank Dios for pineapple. Olay! Michael: And now I canna hold it any longer, captain. José: Si, we have a spectacular joke for you. Fritz: Yeah, a wunderbar joke. Everybody put out your arms, pretend you have branches, now make like a tree and leave! Entire Tiki Room: Sings copyrighted song, the reprinting of which would result in immediate, painful legal action.
Originally Posted By Labuda Hmmm, I wonder... did Imagineers write the "make like a tree and leave" joke, or was it around BEFORE the tiki room? If they wrote it, cool beans! I remember using that joke as a kid long before I ever made it to Disney World in the mid-80s!
Originally Posted By ReelJustice Spirit, it appears all of Universal's hard work was for naught. Fanbois are proclaiming that Star Tours 2 is a victory and beats Potter. Insanity, I know, but that's the word on Twitter and MAGICal forums. ~Pixie Dust is a heckuva drug!~
Originally Posted By MPierce >> MPierce, you're the kind of guy who likes to pull the foamheads off the characters just to make the kids cry. You need some pixie dust in your life, mister. Let's recite line for line the entire opening-day script of the Tiki Room including the controversial and seldom-heard jokes about the birds pooping on the audience's heads.<< What Labuda said.
Originally Posted By TDLFAN >>Spirit, it appears all of Universal's hard work was for naught. Fanbois are proclaiming that Star Tours 2 is a victory and beats Potter. Insanity, I know, but that's the word on Twitter and MAGICal forums. ~Pixie Dust is a heckuva drug!~<< The joke's on you. Those "fanbois" you refer to are paid by Disney to say those things. I just had a face to face encounter with one such person who works in Marketing at WDW and dared tell me that WDW is "better" because they have the most visitors in the World and the biggest resort on Earth... and went further to comment that Potter's land at IOA was badly designed and too small (a case of 'Potter-envy'?). I will agree about the tight spaces in the Potter section, but when it comes to theming and a killer E-ticket ride.. Potter wins. What that Mr. Marketting does not realize is that.. if WDW is seeing better attendance figures is because HARRY POTTER HAS BROUGHT IN 38% INCREASE IN TOURISM INTO CENTRAL FLORIDA, WHICH BENEFITS WDW. They should be thanking Universal. Also.. WDW benefits from LOCATION... which as opposed to Tokyo or Hong Kong, it's more accessible to many people in North and South America, western Europe and the caribbean. It has NOTHING to do with WDW being "better".. because in fact, it is NOT. WDW is just BIG, and as such.. a BIG MESS to operate and properly maintain to Walt's traditional standards. (I wonder what Walt would think if he knew that his FL project has become a big multi-hotel complex connected by ghetto buses.) But to finish this observation.. the fanbois may love the new Star Tours re-vamp which I am sure is great (we all know how those disney boys love to be tossed and slapped around, don't we?).. but I personally will take the Wizarding World of Potter, Tokyo Disney resort and Disneyland Resort in CA *anytime/anyday* over what little mediocre pixie dust WDW blowns on the ignorant tourist base that flocks to Walt Disarray World year after year. As long as that ARROGANT "we are better/bigger" mentality overrules the management's point of view at WDW, the more in trouble they will be. It's horribly tragic when a company looses their tradition in pursuit of the cheap dollar and mediocre magic...and such is the state of WDW.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Hmmm, I wonder... did Imagineers write the "make like a tree and leave" joke, or was it around BEFORE the tiki room? If they wrote it, cool beans! I remember using that joke as a kid long before I ever made it to Disney World in the mid-80s! --- I too remember the joke in school in the very early 60's -- I agree- if they did write it- it sure caught on. I could be wrong and my memory surely could be cloudy, but I seem to remember it on Leave it to Beaver..coming from Eddie Haskell. Of course DL predates the Beav also-- and makes sense hollywood would pick up on it if it was at DL first.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Good to see you again TDLFAN... but why don't you tell us how you REALLY feel? LOL
Originally Posted By ReelJustice <<The joke's on you. Those "fanbois" you refer to are paid by Disney to say those things>> Hey, take it easy, I'm on your's and Spirit's side. Just saying what the word is around the internet as I was frustrated to encounter such utter stupidity when I woke up this morning and saw what people were saying.. Fanbois and "professional" fanbois would decry Universal even if they built a replica of Disney SEA. This is why we can't have nice things.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I'm not around the parks as much as you are. but I've really never noticed what you are talking about. I guess on average a hard-core Disney fan scares me a whole lot less than your average Trekkie...>> You know ... you must have ESPN69 because I was just discussing the very subject when hanging out with two (relatively) sane LPers tonight. I really don't think Trekkies are as bad as Disney fans today. I've come to the realization that other than violent sports fans that Disney fans are some of the biggest nuts in the almond orchard. They weren't always like this in my recollection. There was a time in my early Disney fanboi days (pretty much anytime before the last decade) when it seemed that Disney fans were largely a devoted, intelligent, sane group of folks that had lives well beyond the Mouse, but shared a love for the creative content of TWDC be it the parks, films or characters. Now ... I just don't know a gentle way of putting this ... and without it seeming like I'm casting a net on everyone who is a Disney fan ... because, obviously, I'd be in it and my friends here would be and some non-online 'Disney friends' would be ... and just some of the LPers who I like and respect, but don't know would be too ... so I'm not ... but ... Well, as Disney has Walmarted its product, it seems to have attracted a great deal of emotionally unbalanced folks who are looking to find the childhood that never was and never will be. And it's not a healthy Peter Pan complex, either (althoigh most shrinks would probably say there's no such thing as a healthy one!) These people are missing things in their daily lives. Normal healthy things.There's a void, a noticeable void in their lives and Disney marketing ha stepped in to fill it. And you can't fill a void in your life with marketing and pixie dust, even the best marketing ... Disney used to create real MAGICal (read that to mean quality like you could have seen in any of the old materials from the 70s-90s showcased, ironically enough, last weekend at Destination D) vacations and experiences, but now it almost feels like a sinister deal when folks talk about 'DISNEY MAGIC'. Like Disney is trying to attract emotionally feeble adults with fat wallets ... instead of being concerned about their product, it seems a good deal of Disney's effort is in trying to make these people feel whole in some way. I am not sure if this is a deliberate deal on Disney's part, but I have spoken with people at the company on this topic (not quite worded as bluntly) and as far back as 2003-04, I recall hearing 'we are a company that trades on tugging on heartstrings now' ... I took took that to mean we emotionally manipulate people because our product can't carry us on its own anymore. More to come ...
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<During the past few years I have noticed a trend towards a crazier attitude towards Disney as well. I think that there are certain online areas which let those people connect with each other and they are continously reiforcing each other. >> I absolutely believe the Internet explosion has had a HUGE (and negative) influence on the fan community. For all the good it has done it bringing folks together with a mutual love for Disney, it has also allowed all sorts of crazy crap as well. From the cottage industries where people have made lives by leeching off Disney's IP to people spending waaaay too much time (and I've been guilty of this myself in the past) online arguing about the merits of Phil Holmes' leadership skills. When I was planning my Disney Magic Transatlantic crossing last year, I spent time on the DISBOARDS (reading, never posting) and I swore that 80% of the people there seemed to be online 18-20 hours a day just constantly discussing minutia. Enthusiasm over a trip is fine. Why go otherwise? But to spend months (some cases over a year) constantly talking about every aspect (from getting coffee to suitcases to luggage tags etc ... it went on and on and on ... thousands of posts) is beyond OCD and a waste of lifetime. I absolutely think the 'net has allowed people who are off-balance to find others as bad (or worse) as they are ... and they all feed off each other in a sick symbiotic relationship. <<There is one group which has the title "The Disney Driven Life". I don't know much about them, so I don't want to say that they are all insane. But just the notion that Disney should have such an influence on someone's life is scary to me.>> That came up tonight at our little SoFla LP meet and greet (was there any groping? sorry, you weren't there ... you'll never know! ;-) ) I get that people are big fans. We all share that. I hope we do because I can't imagine anyone wasting time here who isn't a Disney fan or an employee doing 'research' ... but living a 'Disney Driven Life'? I can't imagine anyone not a creative or very high level exec doing so. I don't know how many folks who are online fans that are involved in major media as a career where they would have to be thinking Disney so much. Like I said a few hours ago while sitting next to a local version of EPCOT's fountain ;-) ... there's something strange if you go to bed listening to the 1982 EPCOT BGM loop, wake up to a Mickey alarm clock (oops, I have one!), immediately check online to see if the Tiki Room is returning to MK or if Tron3 has gotten the green-light and start tweeting about whether Star Tours is open today before you've even emptied your bladder, had breakfast or seen what's new in the world today. Again, obviously I don't believe every Disney fan is insane. Do I believe there's a high incidence of all sorts of psychological maladies in the community? Or that this is much greater than it was 20 years ago? Yes ... and yes!!!
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I recall hearing 'we are a company that trades on tugging on heartstrings now' -- might also be someone talking out of their arse as well there.. remember what set Disney animated features ( and most live action as well)- movies apart from their competition- especially for kids ? Their willingness to have the sadness/heart wrenching moments as well even in upbeat animated movies. What part do most of us remember from our childhood ? The killing of Bambi's Mom, the Huntsman, for somewhat younger roups- Mufasa being killed... Old Yeller ( need I say more) - so they have always played upon the real emotional heartstrings -- from day 1 movie wise- this is not a new philosophy, sounds more like another Disney suit that doesn't even know their own company
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 "Do you think LP.com could handle a thread on fans and mental illness? And, yes, that's a serious question (just like I firmly believe ... maybe know would be a better term ... that it is a large problem in the fan community)." <<I say go for it, Spirit.>> I kinda started it in here to feel things out. It's not an easy topic. And it's way too complicated where I don't wish to hear people saying 'Spirit says we're all nuts' ... especially when I only believe a significant part is and all to different degrees. <<As I believe I've mentioned here before, my Disney fandom calmed down and evened out and no longer required me to ALWAYS be counting down to my next Disney trip 3 days after I decided to get divorced. Obviously, I was using Disney as a way to escape the real world and my crappy marriage. Now that I'm mostly happy and totally single, I'm good with Disney World MUCH less often (haven't been since Dec 09 and don't have any trips planned right now).>> I think you did a very good/eloquent job of putting your situation into perspective here. I never considered you, one of the 'crazies' (to be fair, I don't believe the vast majority of LPers are ... other sites ... well, that's a different story) ... yet, obviously, you were still medicating yourself with pixie dust to treat a bad marriage and broken heart (Prozac is cheaper! ;-) ) But the fact is, your situation is probably not at all uncommon in the Disney Community. Bad relationships and people who are lonely seem to be common threads. Getting a hug from someone who truly loves you is worlds better than getting a hug from a horny teen in a stinky foamhead costume being paid $8 an hour. BTW, nice to see you back on the WDW board ... seems like a lot of familiar faces are returning! <<Oh, but I do have a blue sky Uni trip planned right now... just need to figure out when I can get my trip buddy to go with me.>> UNI is absolutely worth a trip right now. It didn't bore me like WDW did on my recent trip (although circumstances weren't ideal and Disney had nothing to do with them ... almost getting killed on the drive up also didn't help). That said, the night we went to dinner at Tchoup Chop, I wanted nothing more than to check in to the Royal Pacific for a week and just veg out.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<I agree with everything that has been said in this thread!>> Pierce ... you are such a kiss up. That is why you will always be my favorite minion. BTW, EE, thanks you for starting the fire at the Tiki Room. He'd like you to do some fish frying at EPCOT next.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I kinda started it in here to feel things out. It's not an easy topic. And it's way too complicated where I don't wish to hear people saying 'Spirit says we're all nuts' ... especially when I only believe a significant part is and all to different degrees --- obsession and 'over the top' dedication to Disney - certain musical groups- heck even sports teams seems to be a phenomenon of the past 15 years or so. I can tell you parents of stuident athletes have gone mad in the last 10 years or so--- all passion and no common sense. I have seen more fights at sporting events for 8-10 year olds than you can imagine. Every parent thinks their little Susie or Johnny is the second coming of Michael Jordan or Wayne Gretzky etc.. and half of them can't walk and chew gum at the same time. So I hear what you are saying and do not disagree strongly that the 'obsession' or Peter Pan syndrome is not only different than say in the 80's- but much more unhealthy. The only thing I will say is it transcends Disney additions to be sure.... I wish I knew what the cause was - as it is disturbing . Parents hiring hit men to kill parents of rivals in cheerleading, hockey dads actually killing other parents ( more than one) -
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Spirit, it appears all of Universal's hard work was for naught. Fanbois are proclaiming that Star Tours 2 is a victory and beats Potter. Insanity, I know, but that's the word on Twitter and MAGICal forums.>> Did you expect anything less? Fanbois, especially MAGICal ones, don't want to admit the truth. And that's the fact UNI is the one that has been pushing the bar higher in themed immersive family entertainment in O-Town since 1999 ... from Spidey to MiB to Mummy to even Cat in the Hat ... and now the whole that is WWoHP. I am sure Star Tours is a quality addition. I knew it would be when I told the online world it was coming about 3-4 years ago now. But I'm also sure it hasn't changed radically. It's just a simulator with more state of the art effects and more potential locales per voyage. I'm also sure the OCD fanbois will ride it so much in its first 2-3 months that they'll see all of them and be bored with it by the end of the year. I intend to take my time and ride it a few times per trip (likely and hopefully Anaheim first unless my pal LeeihopehetakesmyDLPadvice decides he wants to do a day trip again!) As good as it may be, and I hope the generally foaming reviews are true, it still is a simulator from the 1980s. There's only so much that can be done with it. Maybe I'll grow bored with FJ at IOA, but I doubt it. I'm not bored by Spidey yet ... and rest assured if it suddenly were plopped down on the backlot at TPFKaTD-MGMS, the fanbois would still be drooling over an attraction that debutted in 1999. <<~Pixie Dust is a heckuva drug!~>> Yes, but do fanbois who wear Orange Bird tees ever get (blanked)?
