Originally Posted By vbdad55 Do you want to see it gone? All I hear here is how they are cutting back on everything...no respect for their own heritage etc..yet CoP doesn't fit anywhere. I don't think it's a perfect fit either- but lots of things aren't there-- and it beats another lost attraction..
Originally Posted By Christi22222 This is the perfect example of where I would be happy to lose a nostalgic attraction IF (big, big IF) I had any faith that they would do something better. The rotating theater concept is a lot of fun. And unique. I personally only grew up with the format in DL so have far fonder memories of America Sings, but either way it's good fun. But use it somehow that's new, surprising, technologically advanced, original, and fun! I have no idea what, but that's what WDI is for, right? And how hard is it to make something that fits in Tomorrowland? Really? Yeah, okay, so leave it alone. :/
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Seriously, we aren't taking a ride on the MAGICal 'let's move CoP to EPCOT' trip, are we?<<< Better than the alternative of letting it rot and then demo'd.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>This is the perfect example of where I would be happy to lose a nostalgic attraction IF (big, big IF) I had any faith that they would do something better. The rotating theater concept is a lot of fun. And unique. I personally only grew up with the format in DL so have far fonder memories of America Sings, but either way it's good fun. But use it somehow that's new, surprising, technologically advanced, original, and fun! I have no idea what, but that's what WDI is for, right? And how hard is it to make something that fits in Tomorrowland? Really? <<< Exactly. Exactly. Exactly. I don't trust them, too.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >>>Seriously, we aren't taking a ride on the MAGICal 'let's move CoP to EPCOT' trip, are we?<<< <<Better than the alternative of letting it rot and then demo'd. >> UGH ... I am so glad I am the only one in my 'hood to not have firearms. My screen might be holy when all is said and done.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Do you want to see it gone? >> I'd like to see it moved to the Walt Disney Museum. <<All I hear here is how they are cutting back on everything...no respect for their own heritage etc..yet CoP doesn't fit anywhere.>> I'm all for keeping the history and tradition, but there came a point where the attraction doesn't work anymore.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<I'd like to see it moved to the Walt Disney Museum.>> What is with all of this "move it to WDFM" nonsense? It's a theme park attraction! Geez Louise. Even if WDFM had the space -- which they don't, not by a long shot -- it does not belong there. It belongs in a theme park, preferably a Disney theme park.
Originally Posted By ReelJustice Kill it. Move it to the WDFM. Level the building in WDW, and prepare for real progress.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo There are four reasons why I will step foot in the MK - Liberty Square inc. the Hall of Presidents, Country Bears, the People Mover and Carousel of Progress. I really love CoP, provided it were maintained properly. And I think it is totally appropriate for Tomorrowland. Think how far we've come, imagine what the future could be like. Now I would be in favour of an update, if Disney did it right. But I have no faith in their ability to produce a good edutainment product any longer. And having it is better than no.
Originally Posted By Bolna Besides the fact that the attraction could need some refurbishment, the one thing that really bothers me about the CoP is that the jump from the past to supposed future is now 60 years or even more. The last scene in the past is in the 40s, a decade that the vast majority of WDW visitors will only know from history books. One can tell that it was originally intended to be otherwise, the scenes in the past did cover an era that the audience still remembered. I think just keeping updating the last scene does not really make it any better. But besides that I really like the CoP. From my European perspective it is a very American attraction. Not only does it feature holidays which for me are very American holidays (besides Christmas), but also the message about believing in progress (and the great big beautiful tomorrow) appears to be very American.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost I cannot think of an attraction that fits into Tomorrowland better than CoP. Why, you ask? I'll tell you (you knew I would). Historically the attraction has completely changed as far as purpose is concerned. When built it tried to reflect the future even though it started out with the past. Now every single second of it is the past. I would be willing to bet that those of you that have children or had children within the past 30 years and in the future, have no real way of conveying where we came from. My kids, now in their mid thirty's never knew that TV wasn't always in color until a rerun of "I Love Lucy" came on and they jumped up to adjust the color. Never knew or even thought about what life was like before electricity because they always thought it just was there. Even I, being older than dirt wasn't really tuned into what life at the turn of the last century was like. CoP's new function is to inform most of todays adults and children about what it was like and where we came from. We are such a "right now" society that needs immediate gratification that I think it's good to look back and ponder a time when you waited for whatever you wanted. No Domino's delivery, online shopping or even driving to the grocery store. They didn't go anyplace and when they did, it was a big deal. Maybe they could change the name to something like "The Carousel of Progress Timeline" We don't know where we are going until we see where we have been. I'm a baby boomer, well actually "boomer" is a misnomer, I am more of a minor Pop now instead of a Boom, anything that happened in the last 60 years, I have lived through. Anything in the last 30 years my kids have lived through. No need to rehash that. My kids were amazed at what life had been like, they never knew or even thought about it. They did after seeing it though. I thought it was a great learning tool especially since everyone that was alive at the turn of that century is now gone. How else do we know without something like CoP. Different intent, but and important one at the very least. Tomorrow is deeply connected with Yesterday. All they really have to do to update the last scene is put cell phones in all the characters hands and have them texting. No dialog will be necessary because everyone will have their head down calmly clicking away without even having to acknowledge anyone in the room.
Originally Posted By fkurucz Team Anaheim has struggled with what to do with its CoP building for years, for a while it was America Sings and now its a showcase for Microsoft products and vaporware (and ASIMO upstairs). I suppose that WDW could tear it down, but that would cost $$$ and I'm sure the accountaneers would prefer some way to reuse the existing building. Perhaps the path of least resistance is to keep it as it is.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Goofyrnmost, I totally agree. My son finds it hard to believe that I am older than video games. Or that we did not always have cell phones. And these are things in my lifetime. The advances in CoP are increadible. What would be great is if it did have a post show like it did at the World's Fair. For me, Space Mountain, and Big Thunder are a waste of time compared to CoP. I can take my family on coasters anywhere, including near to my home. CoP is an only Florida deal.
Originally Posted By HMButler79 ""The attraction no longer belongs in Tomorrowland, plain and simple, or any theme park for that matter."" Because blue cartoon aliens and CGI monsters do?... HA!
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Because blue cartoon aliens and CGI monsters do?... HA!>> No, they don't. The whole of Tomorrowland needs to be redone. Hell, I'd say a New Tomorrowland is needed much more than a New Fantasyland.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper Goofyernmost, good post, but I don't agree. Tomorrowland, at least in the Magic Kingdom, isn't about the real life exploits of the human race. It's supposed to be an exaggerated and science fiction view of the future. To me the CoP just doesn't fit in with that.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper If "fans" cannot agree on what is appropriate it is no wonder that it is in a state of limbo. Here is an idea: Make a new gated attraction that is called "Disney Classic". Make it a place to put the old parades, attractions, etc that we do not want to give up completely on. Run the older Disney movies in cinemas. Hey, if they were legitimately talking about putting two Magic Kingdoms side by side in Tokyo then this idea might have some merit. And, dare I say, I think the attenedance would be pretty solid.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I'm all for keeping the history and tradition, but there came a point where the attraction doesn't work anymore.<<< So MAKE it work. Change it up. Why is that so hard to do?
