Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>> I suppose that WDW could tear it down, but that would cost $$$ and I'm sure the accountaneers would prefer some way to reuse the existing building. Perhaps the path of least resistance is to keep it as it is<<< Not to mention that the TTA hugs the building.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Goofyernmost, that was an outstanding post. Having seen the Carousel first at the New York World's fair, I just can't imagine anyone wanting to tear it down. It has always been my daughter's FAVORITE attraction... not at just the MK, but at WDW. It provides greatly needed perspective on where we came from which helps you get a feel for where we may be going. How people can mourn a silly ride with day-glow plywood cutouts (Toad) and then talk about tearing down a significant attraction like the Carousel of Progress is totally beyond my comprehension. Small World has also changed hardly at all since its NY World’s Fair debut… I suppose it should be relegated to the trash heap too…
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost >>>Tomorrowland, at least in the Magic Kingdom, isn't about the real life exploits of the human race. It's supposed to be an exaggerated and science fiction view of the future. To me the CoP just doesn't fit in with that.<<< It might have been an exaggerated view of the future (last scene) at the time it was built but it turned out to be pretty close to if not behind what actually happened. The only reason that Tomorrowland is exaggerated is because no one can imagine what really lies ahead. That is why I think that eventually Tommorrowland will be renamed Sci/Filand. No effort is being made at all to look for a realistic model of what the future might be like. It's just too hard to guess. CoP grounds us. It now tells us how it was...not exaggerated, but really how it was. Even the last scene is now "real". I am a firm believer that the past holds the key to the future. It shouldn't be short changed or declared uninteresting because it isn't moving at the speed of light or causing one's heart to beat extra.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Post 18 for 16... I agree with Hokie... for a change. << That's another sign of the pending Apocalypse.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Seriously, we aren't taking a ride on the MAGICal 'let's move CoP to EPCOT' trip, are we? If so, then I need about six stiff drinks. << I'll join you!
Originally Posted By MPierce >> UGH ... I am so glad I am the only one in my 'hood to not have firearms. My screen might be holy when all is said and done. << Try a baseball bat. It's not as much fun as shooting, but it makes less noise.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> I'm all for keeping the history and tradition, but there came a point where the attraction doesn't work anymore. << I'm with you Hokie. POTC, and HM seem timelessw to me. COP just seems tired, and out of place as it is in my opinion. My idea of maintaining the Disney heritage is more with maintenance, cleanliness, attention to detail, and overall concern with show. Not necessarily keeping an old ride. I do have concerns like VBDAD that it would not be replaced or replaced with something of lesser quality.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<It might have been an exaggerated view of the future (last scene) at the time it was built but it turned out to be pretty close to if not behind what actually happened. The only reason that Tomorrowland is exaggerated is because no one can imagine what really lies ahead. That is why I think that eventually Tommorrowland will be renamed Sci/Filand. No effort is being made at all to look for a realistic model of what the future might be like. It's just too hard to guess. CoP grounds us. It now tells us how it was...not exaggerated, but really how it was. Even the last scene is now "real". I am a firm believer that the past holds the key to the future. It shouldn't be short changed or declared uninteresting because it isn't moving at the speed of light or causing one's heart to beat extra.>> See, but everything you say here is supposed to be Epcot's deal, not Tomorrowland's.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper And my want for the attraction to be taken out has nothing to do with it being a slow moving AA attraction. It has everything to do with it being a concept that doesn't fit it's place at all.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Small World has also changed hardly at all since its NY World’s Fair debut… I suppose it should be relegated to the trash heap too…>> Go for it. You're not gonna hear a complaint from me. And last time I checked I don't want CoP in a trash heap. I want it in a museum where it belongs.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Don't get rid of Small World. Imagine how crowded Fantasyland would be without that people eater.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Small World has also changed hardly at all since its NY World’s Fair debut… I suppose it should be relegated to the trash heap too… << The whole world living in peace, and harmony is a perfect fit for a place called Fantasyland.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>I'm with you Hokie. POTC, and HM seem timelessw to me. COP just seems tired, and out of place as it is in my opinion<<< So change it up. No one here is advocating that we leave it totally alone.
Originally Posted By ReelJustice <<So change it up. No one here is advocating that we leave it totally alone.>> No matter what you do, you cannot make it fit in Tomorrowland without substantially altering it and changing its very essence. Kill the beast!
Originally Posted By leobloom My group really doesn't care if COP doesn't fit the "story" of Tomorrowland. We typically visit it while we're waiting for a FP time to come up for Space Mountain. In terms of attractions we usually visit in Tomorrowland, it's Space, TTA, and COP. The last scene really could stand to be updated, but I doubt that'll happen anytime soon. If COP was removed from MK, I'd hope they would add something comparable that is mildly entertaining and not too busy.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> Besides the fact that the attraction could need some refurbishment, the one thing that really bothers me about the CoP is that the jump from the past to supposed future is now 60 years or even more. The last scene in the past is in the 40s, a decade that the vast majority of WDW visitors will only know from history books. << Is that when the third scene is set, during the 1940s? I always associated it with a slightly later time. Is there anything that indicates the time definitively?
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost The third scene is without a doubt in the 50's. I would recognize that kitchen scape anyplace. I guess it could be the 40's but very late in them. but I lean toward the 50"s. Besides the 40's were mostly War years and I doubt if anyone would have had the insensitivity to call it the "Best time of your life" or think that there would be a "Great big beautiful tomorrow".
Originally Posted By tonyanton I think it is time to revamp the timeframes in the show. When it opened in the '60s there were still people who would remember the first scene's decade. Now, it would be hard for for anyone to really remember even the third scene. I would start now with the 50s, then 70s, 90s, and then a current/future looking final scene.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >> Seriously, we aren't taking a ride on the MAGICal 'let's move CoP to EPCOT' trip, are we? If so, then I need about six stiff drinks. << <<I'll join you!>> I was pleasantly surprised by the stiffness of said drinks at the Territory. Drink one didn't feel that strong going down, but as soon as I had a few tastes of #2, I felt #1 kicking in! Wish you had been there. If you think I'm fun online, then you have no idea what the real Spirit (sans filters) is like! >> UGH ... I am so glad I am the only one in my 'hood to not have firearms. My screen might be holy when all is said and done. << <<Try a baseball bat. It's not as much fun as shooting, but it makes less noise.>> Well, I do have 2-3 baseball bats in the garage ... so that might work. I tend to think I'm one of only 78 Floridians over age 16 who don't own a firearm. >> I'm all for keeping the history and tradition, but there came a point where the attraction doesn't work anymore. << <<I'm with you Hokie. POTC, and HM seem timelessw to me. COP just seems tired, and out of place as it is in my opinion.>> Tired? Yes. Out of place? Only if you're going to simply give in and say the 'lands' of the MK have no meaning other than generic Disney MAGIC. This attraction is absolutely timeless (sorry, Hokie, much like Small World whether you individually like it or not). PROGRESS is never out of date (trying hard to not talk about like in 2011 USA!) The CoP would have to be made more relevant and that doesn't mean just a more modern final scene. It would likely mean combining a few earlier eras and bringing in a show scene (or two) that shows the tremendous leaps we've made technologically over the past 40 years ... everything from 8-track tapes to video games could be included as we jump to our (supposedly) limitless present where we can check wait times for the other rides with an app on our stupid phones!
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<And last time I checked I don't want CoP in a trash heap. I want it in a museum where it belongs>> Theme park attractions belong in one place and one place only: theme parks.
