Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<The whole world living in peace, and harmony is a perfect fit for a place called Fantasyland.>> It's common Texas sense like this that makes me ... well ... um ... ah ... yeah ... ah ... tolerate Pierce.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Well, I do have 2-3 baseball bats in the garage ... so that might work. I tend to think I'm one of only 78 Floridians over age 16 who don't own a firearm.<<< Number 28, checking in....
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<The third scene is without a doubt in the 50's. I would recognize that kitchen scape anyplace. I guess it could be the 40's but very late in them. but I lean toward the 50"s. Besides the 40's were mostly War years and I doubt if anyone would have had the insensitivity to call it the "Best time of your life" or think that there would be a "Great big beautiful tomorrow".>> Nope… the original attraction was in 20 year intervals… turn of the century, 20’s, 40’s and 60’s. Before they bastardized it and made the final scene “current” with Grandma playing a virtual video game with graphics worse than the Atari 2600. <<I think it is time to revamp the timeframes in the show. When it opened in the '60s there were still people who would remember the first scene's decade. Now, it would be hard for for anyone to really remember even the third scene. I would start now with the 50s, then 70s, 90s, and then a current/future looking final scene.>> No… the only way the attraction works at all is to give a sense of where we’ve come from. Start with the 50’s and you destroy it.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Good god, try being the ONLY North Dakotan sans firearms. Sheesh.>> It's ND ... what do you expect? You do realize you might be the ONLY person from that state who contributes to this and any other Disney forum on the web! I guess that makes you special!
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>> You do realize you might be the ONLY person from that state who contributes to this and any other Disney forum on the web! I guess that makes you special!<<< Who knows... "FRANK" could be there...
Originally Posted By Expo_Seeker40 I've said before, the best way to save Walt's ghetto Carousel is to admit it is a piece of history....but...... 1.) get new cast of voices and a new script 2.) don't make the show so bland with "this is my stove, these are my kids" make the show pace itself better 3.) turn the load theater into both the load and unload theater. remove the curtain and have a screen that either shows us a movie from WDI, the walt disney family museum, or something that in 5 minutes explains the ride. Act 1-4 travel through a realistically as possible....1964 world's fair version of the ride from the 1900s to the 1960s. Take the last part...the former unload theater, and turn the stage into a bonus ending that can always change and not effect the show. Rather, we are told we get to see walt's version of the ride and then get to see a vision of the future at the end. When the last scene needs updating, a new cast of voices reads lines off the set-in-stone world's fairish script and then reads new lines created for the new scene. Need a backstory? the tomorrowland metro retro historically society bought it and is taking it around the galaxy to show white life was and may be like on Earth. It's currently in Tomorrowland on display.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer Or we make it totally about the future, either in different subjects, or moving forward in different decades to come.
Originally Posted By Expo_Seeker40 I don't have the strength to demolish the only three scenes related to walt disney and the world's fair.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer ^^^ So move THAT to the museum, while the attractions stays in TL.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Why can't it just stay where it is? If you don't want to see it...don't go to it. Why must things be destroyed or moved to someplace else because it might upset individual sensitivity. There's plenty of room at WDW to add attractions without throwing others out. Some like it, some don't. Just walk on by...it's your loss. Having said that I am one that would support the removal of the little swiss chalet that once was the loading/unloading spot for skyway in fantasyland. That has sat unused for a long time, I'm sure in the Florida heat and humidity (and bugs) it is in pretty bad shape structure wise. It serves no purpose accept to have new comers ask what it is. CoP is not the same thing.
Originally Posted By brotherdave Leave CoP where it is. It belongs in Tomorrowland. However, if they wanted to move it back to Disneyland, I would have no objections. I like the idea of using the unload area as a "5th stage", but I'm not sure if you can load and unload quick enough at the same time. I also doubt that Disney would want to "increase" the show time as they keep trying to reduce the run times for most attactions. Anything over 5 minutes anymore is too long for them because you're not being tempted to buy something. WDW has plenty of land to build other new attractions (if they ever choose to do it). Leave CoP alone for us who enjoy it!
Originally Posted By standor COP should stay where it is and give it a good update instead of the stupid last scene. Aren't people smart enough not to burn the turkey. They should talk about how life would be, just like they did in the earlier segments.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Why can't it just stay where it is? If you don't want to see it...don't go to it. Why must things be destroyed or moved to someplace else because it might upset individual sensitivity. <<<< Sure, but update it. LOL. That's the whole point of this thread, seeing it IS outdated.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost Well, that's where we differ. I wouldn't be all upset about a generic last scene change that can be scripted to change verbally what is being dreamed for the future. As technology changes then all they have to do is change the wording, but CoP is too old now to have an effective total update, if that's what your looking for, without losing important information about the past. The ending, even now can easily be seen as the beginning of the 21st century so shorten the narratives that indicate how life was then and then interject thoughts for the future (that's the changeable part). That is what will change its mission, if you will, to a more historic, where we came from, show with very little emphasis on the future. Just a passing guessing game. The future is outside, the past, with speculation of the future, is contained within.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost BTW, I think the idea of the Turkey burning was meant for comedy relief, not to indicate that they weren't smart enough to not burn it. Even at a thousand degrees the bird burnt up pretty fast.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>but CoP is too old now to have an effective total update, if that's what your looking for, without losing important information about the past. <<< I think it IS time to drop the premise of looking at the past, unless the CoP is moved to EPCOT, where that's more appropriate. Make it about the future. We can document and save the old version as sets in a museum. But the attraction should remain, working, in WDW.
Originally Posted By Goofyernmost How can moving it to a place whose very name is derived from Experimental Prototype Community Of TOMORROW, be a good place to put it anymore the Tomorrowland would be? And where would it go Future World or World Showcase? Both seem less likely places then MK. I don't understand why it cannot be viable as a historical look back. It serves two things. One would be explaining to those that do not know what it was like 100 years ago and, Two would be preserving a Walt Disney Classic. Seems like a win - win to me.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Good god, try being the ONLY North Dakotan sans firearms. Sheesh. << You could very well lose your citizenship over that!
