Originally Posted By fkurucz >>65282211 sure as heck does notlook lile 3800 sq ft ? They dont count basement space in the sq ft by you do they ?<< IIRC that model has 2800 sq ft above ground. Some houses have finished walkout basements.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 this is what 3200 square ft looks like in our area -- let alone 3850 <a href="http://homes.point2.com/US/Illinois/DuPage-County/Naperville/Tall-Grass-Real-Estate.aspx" target="_blank">http://homes.point2.com/US/Ill inois/DuPage-County/Naperville/Tall-Grass-Real-Estate.aspx</a>
Originally Posted By fkurucz They do count the basement in Colorado if its "conforming", which means that if it were to be finished that it would have natural lighting and viable fire escape routes other than the stairs. Most people have a simple finish job performed: a bedroom or two, a bathroom and great big rec room. Usually runs 20-30K if done by a contractor.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Wow! Those look like really good values. Here's what $350K gets you in our neighborhood (this house is about two blocks from ours). <a href="http://www.edinarealty.com/Consumer/Listing/ListingDetail.aspx?Search=b6bb82a2-54c5-417f-a2ce-1148751bb270&Listing=13007302&IRPAgentID=&Image=1&First=1&Last=1&pagesize=10&SearchType=city&ListingDistrictTypeID=&FirstLetter=&Sort=6&Cookies=" target="_blank">http://www.edinarealty.com/Con sumer/Listing/ListingDetail.aspx?Search=b6bb82a2-54c5-417f-a2ce-1148751bb270&Listing=13007302&IRPAgentID=&Image=1&First=1&Last=1&pagesize=10&SearchType=city&ListingDistrictTypeID=&FirstLetter=&Sort=6&Cookies=</a>
Originally Posted By vbdad55 3800 - 4000 sq ft more like this <a href="http://www.napervilledreamhomes.com/MyHomeDtl.asp?lstPages=1&HomeID=372535" target="_blank">http://www.napervilledreamhome s.com/MyHomeDtl.asp?lstPages=1&HomeID=372535</a>
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>this is what 3200 square ft looks like in our area -- let alone 3850<< Looks comparable to the golf course side houses. Those property taxes you pay, yikes! We pay $2000 a year and are appraised by the county at 400K.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <>>65282211 sure as heck does notlook lile 3800 sq ft ? They dont count basement space in the sq ft by you do they ?<< IIRC that model has 2800 sq ft above ground. Some houses have finished walkout basements< okay that makes more sense as all basements in our area ( these two subs are next to each other) are finished and would add an average of 45 x 45 ( 2025 sq ft) which would then make ours 5800 square feet... in Chicago the lower level , even when walk out is never listed in the square footage
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <>>this is what 3200 square ft looks like in our area -- let alone 3850<< Looks comparable to the golf course side houses. Those property taxes you pay, yikes! We pay $2000 a year and are appraised by the < those are 2004 taxes -- add on a $125 milion dollar school referendum for our 3rd high school and those taxes are now $11K ( but the schools are some of the best in the country)
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Oops... Sorry my post made the thread so wide. By the way... I would be somewhat shocked if they got the $350 asking price in the present market. I think $315 - $325 is more likely.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>3800 - 4000 sq ft more like this<< That one looks like the houses that are closer to the clubhouse. Those go for about 500-600K.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Wow! Those look like really good values. Here's what $350K gets you in our neighborhood (this house is about two blocks from ours). <a href="http://www.edinarealty.com/Con" target="_blank">http://www.edinarealty.com/Con</a> sumer/Listing/ListingDetail.aspx?Search=b6bb82a2-54c5-417f-a2ce-1148751bb270&Listing=13007302&IRPAgentID=&Image=1&First=1&Last=1&pagesize=10&SearchType=city&Lis< yep, $350 will not get you ANY single family in my area -- in fact a 1/2 acre lot is $525K
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>Wow! Those look like really good values. Here's what $350K gets you in our neighborhood (this house is about two blocks from ours).<< That would fetch under 200K out here.
Originally Posted By fkurucz Anyway, as you can see, houses are relatively cheap in my neck of the woods, and they don't sell. A Realtor friend of ours has survived by selling sub 200K houses to the Best Buy crowd these past few years (according to her it is now virtually impossible to sell anything over 300K), but she says that even that is drying up. The big chain builders (Lennar, Centex, KB, etc.) has pulled up their stakes and are leaving the market to the mom and pop builders.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<<The interests of the middle class and poor don't intersect.>>> >>Never? Really?>> That's an, um, interesting philosophy. Revealing, anyway.<< <It reveals your own ignorance.> No, it reveals you for who you are. As several people noted. <The poor wants more social programs. The middle class wants more tax cuts so they can afford to support themselves. It's hard to raise a family on any income if the government takes one-third of your earnings.> First of all, I didn't realize ALL poor people and ALL middle class people always wanted the same things. I suppose in a black and white world they do. Second, most middle class people (this shown by polls) favor tax breaks for themselves, but favor restoring the tax rates for the upper 5% of Americans back to where it was in the 90's. <It's also hard to take advantage of government services since the government only offers the lowest possible quality like our public school systems, which are barely adequate.> More generalizations. Some public schools are quite good, and some other government services are as well. Some suck. <Yeah, you seem to know a lot about the middle class.> I am middle class and have been all my life. And I don't see poor people as my enemy or those whose interests are in opposition to mine. I see them as fellow Americans, rather than a group that should be "against" me. Isn't that more of a "uniter, not a divider" attitude than yours?
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom These are some of the homes for sale where my mountain home is located. <a href="http://www.johnschiffli.com/bin/web/real_estate/AR16272/ACTIVATE_FRAMES/HOME_SEARCH/Highlands/1154437977.html" target="_blank">http://www.johnschiffli.com/bi n/web/real_estate/AR16272/ACTIVATE_FRAMES/HOME_SEARCH/Highlands/1154437977.html</a>
Originally Posted By woody >>No, it reveals you for who you are. As several people noted.<< I still don't know what I'm revealed to be? >>First of all, I didn't realize ALL poor people and ALL middle class people always wanted the same things. I suppose in a black and white world they do.<< It would because that's the class warfare political slogans being paraded around. Have you been listening? >>Second, most middle class people (this shown by polls) favor tax breaks for themselves, but favor restoring the tax rates for the upper 5% of Americans back to where it was in the 90's.<< You've just talked about .... "generalizations". Give me a break. See next stupid comment. >>More generalizations. Some public schools are quite good, and some other government services are as well. Some suck.<< Most suck!!! And most don't even reflect conservative values. That's even worse. >> I am middle class and have been all my life. And I don't see poor people as my enemy or those whose interests are in opposition to mine. I see them as fellow Americans, rather than a group that should be "against" me. Isn't that more of a "uniter, not a divider" attitude than yours?<< Wow. Imagine that. Putting words into my mouth. I was speaking about middle class interests that are unique from the poor. If that is "dividing", then we really won't solve problems, will we?
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom Here are some more. <a href="http://www.ccphighlandsnc.com/bin/web/real_estate?acnt=AR157834&ZKEY=&action=ACTIVATE_FRAMES&button=OPEN_HOUSES&linkout_sourcepage=HOMEPAGE&tm=&linkout=http" target="_blank">http://www.ccphighlandsnc.com/ bin/web/real_estate?acnt=AR157834&ZKEY=&action=ACTIVATE_FRAMES&button=OPEN_HOUSES&linkout_sourcepage=HOMEPAGE&tm=&linkout=http</a>%3A%2F%2Fwww.hcmls.com%2Fcgi-hlc%2FACT_finv%3Fpowi1139
Originally Posted By woody vbdad55: "You only question what? In your sentence you are questioning something, but you left out what. The object of your questioning is either left out or unstated, Do we want to get into a grammatical pissing contest? I fail to see the irritation." Boy, did I hit a nerve!!! You certainly have a lot of nerve claiming superior knowledge as a school board member to cut me off at the pass on the NCLB issue. I called you on it. So what?!!! Can we move on? Besides, I enjoy reading you now rather than before. I could barely understand you in Post 48 and 50. FYI, I'm not an english major. I'm never good at english. Maybe we have something in common. >>I guess you do not see the issue of school vouchers as a threat to the public school system<< No I don't. I think the school voucher system creates more competition at lower cost. Private schools are more efficient at delivering quality education. The public school system is already doing a horrible job. What can be worse? I rather help a student graduate at a private school than see another student (mostly poor) fail at a public school. The middle class will also be helped because they will use voucher money to pay for private school tuition as many are currently doing with no government support. The middle class families will also be helped when the public school system have to compete with private schools. Face it. The public school system is broken. It is the "Titanic" that has hit many icebergs. It is sinking. It is also sinking on its own weight of government subsidies. The thousands of dollars spent is going somewhere, but not to education.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip The Public School system is in VERY GOOOD shape in most places, and would be even better if bashers like you would get off your butts and do something to help like vbdad. Oh no... let's make like a bunch of Reverend Jim Jones clones and do home schooling. That sounds like a good idea to me. Drink the Kool Aid baby… drink the Kool Aid…
Originally Posted By woody >>The Public School system is in VERY GOOOD shape in most places, and would be even better if bashers like you would get off your butts and do something to help like vbdad.<< Like I said, vbdad55 just wanted to shut down my argument. I have another solution. Vouchers, public school reform, and break up the teachers unions.
