Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "I'd bet it's not entirely inaccurate to say that while not all far right republicans are anti-semitic, pretty much ALL anti-semitics are far right wing." Nailed it. As usual.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 CC, see #13. There are anti-Semites of all political stripes and no political stripe. But in terms or organized anti-Semitism, there's no question that the greatest overlap is with far right groups. And RT, I have TONS of family in rural MO. The most right wing are big supporters of Israel... because they consider Israel's existence necessary for the Second Coming. But when that happens, the Jews will have to convert or burn in hell. Judaism itself is okay for now as a means to an end, but it's ultimately a false religion, in their minds. So many Jews I know consider that in itself anti-Semitic.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <But in terms or organized anti-Semitism, there's no question that the greatest overlap is with far right groups. > Only because some leftists label anti-Semitic groups as far right. They aren't.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Of course they are. White supremacist groups for instance, which also tend to be anti-Semitic, are almost always far right. Because you'd like to define "far right" in a different way doesn't change that.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Next he'll be telling us that the KKK and neo-Nazi groups aren't really members of the far right. Once again we have a case of willful ignorance on display here. It's time to go. Toodaloo! *waves*
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh Yes, but it's you that is ignorant. The KKK was founded and supported primarily by Democrats. Nazi is short for National Socialists. Both are left wing. What is right wing about anti-semitism? Nothing.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Ah, the old Nazis were actually left wing canard. That no one except the self-deluding believe. The Nazis were Fascists. They were no more socialists, despite the name, than the Democratic Republic of Germany was democratic. And yes there used to be lots of conservative Democrats in the South. The adjective is the salient word there. Look, the far left has its own sins. But it's silly to pretend that anti-Semitism and white supremacy aren't all too common sins among today's far right.
Originally Posted By SuperDry <<< The KKK was founded and supported primarily by Democrats. Nazi is short for National Socialists. >>> Those things are true, in the same sense that Republicans represent the values of those in the big cities and Democrats those of the rural states in the South. True, if you turn your calendar back 100 years. Playing these sorts of games doesn't change the reality of today.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh Such ignorance. Fascists are left wing. They were praised by the Progressives in the 20's and 30's for their leftist policies. And many southern Democrats were both racist and left leaning. The only thing conservative about them were their opposition to civil rights laws, which were largely supported by Republicans. Play all the games you want, doesn't change the fact that there is nothing right wing about anti-semitism.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 "Fascists are left wing." In your dreams. Talk about ignorant. You're trying to redefine things based on what you believe. And/or pretend that political parties don't change over time. It's silly. Most of the anti-Semitic groups still operating in the US today are right-wing. Simple fact.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh Clutch your blanket tight and repeat your mantra, Dabob, but you can't change reality. Fascists are left wing and there is nothing right wing about anti-semitism, and no matter how many times you claim otherwise it won't become so.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh Clutch your blanket tight and repeat your mantra, Dabob, but you can't change reality. Fascists are left wing and there is nothing right wing about anti-semitism, and no matter how many times you claim otherwise it won't become so.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh Clutch your blanket tight and repeat your mantra, Dabob, but you can't change reality. Fascists are left wing and there is nothing right wing about anti-semitism, and no matter how many times you claim otherwise it won't become so.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "Every right-wing Tea Party supporter I know in this area (and believe me, there are plenty of them) STRONGLY supports Israel," That's because, at the moment, their bigotry against Moslems is stronger than their antisemitism. Enemies of our enemies... But there's no doubt that if their fear of Ay-rabs diminishes, their fear of Jews will reassert itself. Conservative philosophy is based in cowardice. "Fascists are left wing" LOL.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder Let's go to Wikipedia, which at the end of the link is sourced. "Fascism /fæʃɪzəm/ is a form of radical authoritarian nationalism[1][2] that came to prominence in early 20th-century Europe. Influenced by national syndicalism, fascism originated in Italy during World War I, combining more typically right-wing positions with elements of left-wing politics, in opposition to liberalism, Marxism, and traditional conservatism. Although fascism is usually placed on the far right on the traditional left–right spectrum, several self-described fascists as well as some commentators have said that the description is inadequate.[3][4][5] Fascists sought to unify their nation through an authoritarian state that promoted the mass mobilization of the national community[6][7] and were characterized by having leadership that initiated a revolutionary political movement aiming to reorganize the nation along principles according to fascist ideology.[8] Fascist movements shared certain common features, including the veneration of the state, a devotion to a strong leader, and an emphasis on ultranationalism and militarism. Fascism views political violence, war, and imperialism as a means to achieve national rejuvenation,[6][9][10][11] and it asserts that stronger nations have the right to expand their territory by displacing weaker nations.[12] Fascist ideology consistently invokes the primacy of the state. Leaders such as Benito Mussolini in Italy and Adolf Hitler in Nazi Germany embodied the state and claimed indisputable power. Fascism borrowed theories and terminology from socialism but replaced socialism's focus on class conflict with a focus on conflict between nations and races.[13] Fascists advocate a mixed economy, with the principal goal of achieving autarky to secure national self-sufficiency and independence through protectionist and interventionist economic policies.[14] Following World War II, few parties have openly described themselves as fascist, and the term is usually used pejoratively by political opponents. The terms neo-fascist or post-fascist are sometimes applied more formally to describe parties of the far right with ideological similarities to, or roots in, 20th century fascist movements." <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism</a>
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder So, how 'bout them Knotts? Anyone ever try their Boysenberg jam?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder I had to re-read this thread to see why it still had life. It should have quietly died in early February. However, because somebody apparently is far too young to remember Snoopy and the Red Baron, inferences were revived about the Knotts, and here we are.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <a target="blank" rel="nofollow" href="http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/fascism">http://dictionary.reference.co.../fascism</a> World English Dictionary fascism (ˈfæʃɪzəm) — n 1. any ideology or movement inspired by Italian Fascism, such as German National Socialism; any right-wing nationalist ideology or movement with an authoritarian and hierarchical structure that is fundamentally opposed to democracy and liberalism 2. any ideology, movement, programme, tendency, etc, that may be characterized as right-wing, chauvinist, authoritarian, etc 3. prejudice in relation to the subject specified: body fascism [C20: from Italian fascismo , from fascio political group, from Latin fascis bundle; see fasces ] And DD can claim (3 times in a row!) that "there's nothing right-wing about anti-semitism" but that's clearly an opinion (and a semi-correct one, as I said a while ago; an anti-semite can be of any political stripe or even apolitical.) But the FACT remains that most of the anti-semitic groups active today are right-wing. Semantics can't change that. <However, because somebody apparently is far too young to remember Snoopy and the Red Baron, inferences were revived about the Knotts, and here we are. > Well, yeah. Exactly. And, as someone pointed out, the Knott's don't even own the place any more, so unless you're claiming some nefarious intent on the part of Cedar Fair or Snoopy...
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <But the FACT remains that most of the anti-semitic groups active today are right-wing.> You are confusing facts and opinions again. Liberal opinions aren't facts; they are errors.
