Originally Posted By Dabob2 No, fact is a fact. What I stated is fact. It's just silly to deny it. The only way you can do it is via your laughable attempt to say that Nazis/Fascists are "left wing" and thus presumably the neo-Nazi groups existing today are the same. But of course if you look at their literature or "manifestos," or the politicians they support, they are far right. Here's a clue: they ain't voting for Democrats. They hate Obama, they often support tea party candidates (check their websites), and of course, they rail against prominent Jewish pols - nearly all of whom are Democrats, especially now that the GOP just lost their one Jewish House or Senate member. There's a reason they call it "FAR" right (or far left). I'm not saying a mainstream Republican today - let's say John McCain - should be lumped in with far rightists like Cliven Bundy or Westboro or these neo-Nazi groups, any more than a mainstream Democrat - let's say Chuck Schumer - should be lumped in with freaking Stalin. But Bundy and Westboro and neo-Nazis and white supremecists are far right. It's silly to deny it.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <No, fact is a fact. What I stated is fact.> Then prove it. <Westboro and neo-Nazis and white supremecists are far right. It's silly to deny it.> If they were, you could explain why, but they aren't, so you just keep repeating that they are. They are neither left nor right, but leftists keep trying to claim they are on the right in order to taint the right. It doesn't make it true. Fascists believe in central control if the economy by the government. That's left wing. Calling anti-government groups fascists makes no sense, but liberals have to do that because they everyone agrees that fascists were bad, so they have to claim fascists were right wing. No matter how much they scream and stomp their feet though, it isn't true. There is nothing right wing about anti semitism.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 You keep overlooking the fact that I've already mostly agreed with your final statement. Several times. Anti-semitism is not in itself right-wing, and people of all stripes can be anti-semitic. I've said that several times. But anti-semitism doesn't exist in a vacuum. Most groups today that espouse anti-semitism also espouse far right ideology in addition to the anti-semitism. This is what I'm saying and it really isn't difficult. If one could define right-wing (or far right wing) as being only good things without the pesky things that typically go along with "far"-anything movements, you'd have a point. But you don't get to define it. I've posted the (literal) dictionary definition of Fascism. Sorry if they (accurately) described it as right wing. Why are we doing this? We're not going to sway each other. I've known for a while now that Dougworld is an accuracy-free zone when you choose for it to be.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Most groups today that espouse anti-semitism also espouse far right ideology in addition to the anti-semitism. > That is your opinion. Stop pretending it is a fact. <I've posted the (literal) dictionary definition of Fascism. Sorry if they (accurately) described it as right wing.> No, you posted a dictionary definition of Fascism. That doesn't make it accurate.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh Appeal to authority is a major tool of Fascists, of course. "Why are you objecting to this? Everyone else is going along!", and "Our experts are saying this, who are you to question it?" are two types of arguments often put forth by Fascists. Which side of the aisle tends to do that today?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Gimme a break. You're not fooling anyone. You're using "appeal to authority" with... a dictionary? Oooookaaaayyy.... <That is your opinion. Stop pretending it is a fact. > It is a fact. All you have to do is check their own websites, manifestos, and who they endorse politically. They're right-wing. Sorry. Pigeon chess.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Dabob, why do you always like to engage crazy people? Seriously, man let this one go. You're better than this.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh Another tool of Fascists, and totalitarians in general - label views they don't agree with as insane.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh Not at all. But I am not surprised to see you criticizing me but offering no information or reasoning. That's just like what a Fascist would do.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Of course, we've criticized Dd's views as inaccurate or "crazy" (Hans) but haven't insinuated he's a Fascist himself, as he has to us. (Of course he'll probably say "No I didn't. I just said you did what a fascist would do, not that you are one, yada yada yada") We've seen it all before and it doesn't improve. Oh I ain't playing pigeon chess No pigeon chess no more Pigeon chess no more Pigeon chess no more Oh I ain't playing pigeon chess No pigeon chess no more It just don't make no sense
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh You also haven't shown that anti Semite groups tend to be right wing, but you've asserted it multiple times, then disparaged me for disagreeing. It's a good thing you aren't playing real chess, because you only seem to know two moves. Works real good for pigeon chess though. Meanwhile, there's nothing right wing about anti semitism.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Not at all. But I am not surprised to see you criticizing me but offering no information or reasoning. That's just like what a Fascist would do." I posted a sourced wiki article which you've ignored, and that's certainly more than you've offered. This lame attempt of yours of labeling others fascist is just shows how lost you are on this, and I'll willing to bet you wish you never posted in this thread.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <I posted a sourced wiki article which you've ignored, and that's certainly more than you've offered.> Wow. A Wikipedia article. That certainly is a big offering. It's amazing that everyone ignored it. <This lame attempt of yours of labeling others fascist is just shows how lost you are on this, and I'll willing to bet you wish you never posted in this thread.> How do you look in brown?
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "Wow. A Wikipedia article. That certainly is a big offering. It's amazing that everyone ignored it." You have something better?
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Of course he doesn't. In his mind he thinks he gets to claim that we haven't shown that a-s groups tend to be right wing by claiming that neo-Nazi groups aren't right wing. A neat trick, that. Ridiculous too, but that's pigeon chess for you... Pretty textbook, actually.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 If you think you can stomach it (and can disable cookies), go to the website of one if these neo Nazi or White power groups. You'll see rhetoric on economics or Obama or immigration or military force or gay people or "American Exceptionalism" or the Fed... much more aligned with a tea partier than with any Democrat.
