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Originally Posted By Christi22222 >>And Indy would never be his father when he got older. Henry was more of a book worm than an adventurer.<< Absolutely agree with this! I was just using it as an example of doing the older characters well in an adventure movie. I don't mean he has to be dull and boring. That wouldn't be Indy! But to try to make him be the exact same guy, but 20 years older? For me, that didn't work. Most of his schtick - which is his charm - was a younger man's schtick. Couldn't you just mature it a bit? He just seemed dopey to me, like an old guy who just doesn't get it. And Indy was NEVER dumb so this wouldn't have happened in real life.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<For me, that didn't work. Most of his schtick - which is his charm - was a younger man's schtick.>> You apparently haven't learned that guys never grow up...
Originally Posted By DlandDug Not wanting to throw cold water on this topic (sorry!), but there really isn't room to build a proper water themed ride in Disney Hollywood Studios. A good one needs a lot of real estate, and the Studios are pretty much hemmed in. Remember that they had to remove the whole Residential Street to accommodate Lights! Motors! Action! That said, Voyage of the Dawn Treader could have formed the basis of a great water ride. As pointed out above, Disney opted out of the Narnia series after disappointing returns from Prince Caspian. It's a shame, because Caspian is (plotwise) the weakest of the series, and Dawn Treader is probably the strongest (certainly in cinematic terms). Walden Media will continue releasing the Narnia films with other partners, it appears. Disney film properties that could provide the basis of a water themed attraction: Pinocchio (underwater sequence and escaping from Monstro), National Treasure (the whole water temple sequence), Steamboat Willie (a kid friendly attraction that could incorporate a lot of early Disney cartoon properties), Atlantis: The Lost Empire (although the film didn't get that great a reception), Lilo and Stitch (I'd rather go surfing with Stitch than have him belch chili dogs in my face), Ducktales (again, for kids, with characters that would translate well into a water-based adventure), Baby...Secret of the Lost Legend (another minor film, but a good excuse for a dinosaur based water ride), Splash (anyone?), or old school favorites Swiss Family Robinson, In Search of the Castaways, Treasure Island or 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea. (P.S. I would LOVE to experience the Bilge Rats over at Islands of Adventure, but I would do so only if it were part of an actual water park, which it should be. The whole point is to soak people to the skin, which, for me, will never be in the cards during a day spent at IOA. Too bad, as I hear it's a well crafted attraction.)
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<I can't imagine such a powerhouse franchise flopping.>> See...I don't think Narnia is a powerhouse franchise. I think people like it, but not many really outright love it.
Originally Posted By Christi22222 ^^^Hokie, I think we both just aged ourselves. When I was in 4th grade, Narnia was HP(of course on a 70's level of no hyper instantaneous media). Seriously. But you did answer one of my questions very well by saying this. I had wondered if my age blinded me to the fade of this franchise. If this is true, Disney was swimming upstream with the franchise to begin with.
Originally Posted By Christi22222 >>Steamboat Willie (a kid friendly attraction that could incorporate a lot of early Disney cartoon properties<< I find this idea to be incredibly creative and perfect! You could even tie into Epic Mickey since everything Disney has to have synergy these days. And it would be perfect for the Studios in the sense of the history of Disney Animation. Almost like a Great Movie Ride for animation, but hopefully more active than passive and really bring a story to life. I enjoy the GMR very much, but don't do the same thing over.
Originally Posted By Christi22222 >>You apparently haven't learned that guys never grow up...<< Lol! Denial is the secret to many happy marriages!
Originally Posted By Christi22222 >>^^^Hokie, I think we both just aged ourselves. When I was in 4th grade, Narnia was HP(of course on a 70's level of no hyper instantaneous media). Seriously. But you did answer one of my questions very well by saying this. I had wondered if my age blinded me to the fade of this franchise. If this is true, Disney was swimming upstream with the franchise to begin with.<< To illustrate better my point, when my sister, brother in law, and myself finished Sorcerer's Stone, we all said, "Well, it's pretty good, but it sure isn't Narnia!" It took until the 3rd book for us to come over to the dark side. Even then, our loyalty made it very hard to topple it as the best kids book series ever. I consider reading Magician's Nephew (the first one I read) to be a watershed moment in my life. Hence, to me, the love that inspires a powerhouse franchise.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>See...I don't think Narnia is a powerhouse franchise.<< Not so sure about that. The entire series has been continuously in print for over 50 years now (written between 1950 and 1956). While not as white-hot as Potter, Narnia is well loved.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<Not so sure about that. The entire series has been continuously in print for over 50 years now (written between 1950 and 1956). While not as white-hot as Potter, Narnia is well loved.>> Long-lasting, yes. But a powerhouse in this day and age? I don't think so. Most of my generation has never read the books(I think I've only read LWatW and that was for school), and I know my sister never read them in school.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<To illustrate better my point, when my sister, brother in law, and myself finished Sorcerer's Stone, we all said, "Well, it's pretty good, but it sure isn't Narnia!" It took until the 3rd book for us to come over to the dark side. Even then, our loyalty made it very hard to topple it as the best kids book series ever. I consider reading Magician's Nephew (the first one I read) to be a watershed moment in my life. Hence, to me, the love that inspires a powerhouse franchise.>> yea, see, I read Lion Witch and the Wardrobe, but it never resonated with me. It was fun, but it wasn't amazing to me. Now, the first time I picked up a Potter book, I didn't put it down until I was done.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>Long-lasting, yes. But a powerhouse in this day and age?<< Now you're going all anecdotal. The series has sold over 120 million copies over the years. My kids read it, my nieces and nephews all read it, I did, all my friends did... you get the point. The Potter series has sold over 400 million copies so far. I have no doubt it will still be in print in 2047 (50 years after publication of the first book in the series). Will it be "white hot" in 2047? Will "everybody" be reading it? Time will tell. But don't go dissing my Narnia!
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper I'm not trying to dismiss it, I'm just being a realist. LWatW is the only book in the series that is widely known and popular. Ask 10 people to name other books in the series and I doubt many could name more than 1, if any. The series is a good series. Not my cup of tea, but it's a good series. I'm not trying to discredit its worth. But it's not a powerhouse by any stretch of the imagination.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>Ask 10 people to name other books in the series and I doubt many could name more than 1, if any.<< Ask ten people to name ANY book title and I doubt more than half would be able to these days! I'm very well read, but I certainly couldn't name all the Potter books, let alone in order. And there's a set on the shelf down the hall. Narnia? I can name them all, either in order of publication, or in order of "sequence." (Magician's Nephew-- first, or next to last? Among Narnia fans, a conversation that can go on for days!) All of this is anecdotal. Both series are popular in their own way, Potter much more so right now.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> ...Like? << EE, Indy 4 had far too many characters so that Indiana Jones himself is almost a footnote to the movie. Karen Allen was absolutely wasted in the film (not like wasted-drunk, although her giddy smile might have been misread as such). The Mac character was completely unneccessary, but so was the old nutty guy who led them to the crystal skulls, or something (maybe I'm succeeding at forgetting about this movie). And unlike some, I think the alien angle could have worked but the script was so bad, the concept never stood a chance on screen.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> And they had done the older adventurer so well with The Last Crusade and Sean Connery. So we know they know how to do it. For the record, they did do somewhat better with Karen Allen. << My favorite laughable moment in Indy 4 is the picture of Sean Connery on Indy's desk. The photograph was actually a publicity still that was included in the Last Crusade novelization, a book I had when I was 8 or 9 years old. Can't tell you how funny it was to recognize that publicity still being used in this movie. Just lazy, lazy filmmaking. Speilberg screwed the fans on this one.
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb Earlier Dug mentioned space as an issue, I disagree. The Backlot Tour is the barest shadow of its old self and really just a waste of time. Is there any reason they couldn't put a water ride in that area? Catastrophe Canyon could even be incorporated into a movie themed water ride. "Let's take a wet and wild journey through the movies!" Oh the possibilities, The Great Movie Ride meets Backlot Tour, meets Splash Mountain.
Originally Posted By DlandDug The backlot tour was already pretty well scrubbed to make way for L!M!A!
Originally Posted By Autopia Deb Take that out too! Long stretches of talking, trivia and video rehashes followed by short bursts of cars and motorcycles chasing each other around a smallish set. Meh. Knott's and USH both do this type of exhibition show much better and always have. The best thing in that entire area are the restrooms and the pretzel stand. Better have "The Great Splashing Movie Tour".
