Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I totally agree with your opnion. The only good things since his departure have been some of the films IMHO. Nothing in the parks.
Originally Posted By crapshoot << The only good things since his departure have been some of the films IMHO. Nothing in the parks.>> Sorry, but I will always, always and always put full and complete blame for DCA's lackluster design and development squarely on Eisner's shoulders. I can't speak for other parks that his hand touched, but I can slap his hand away at his pathalogical attempt to think he could improve on Walt Disney's themepark formula. Since he has left, a lot of his wrongs are being righted, so to speak.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Hmmm, yes, he made mistakes, but overall he had more hits than misses. All Iger's hits can pretty much be attributed to acquisition.
Originally Posted By crapshoot <<Hmmm, yes, he made mistakes, but overall he had more hits than misses.>> Don't get me wrong, Eisner was very good for the company on whole. But to quote Clint Eastwood, "A man's got to know his limitations." And themepark design was beyond Eisner's capabilities. He set out to streamline the process. That in of itself is not a bad goal. But streamlining and cutting corners are two different animals. And the cutting of corners is what got Disney into the mess of DCA.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Since Eisner left, things have gone downhill. Only my opinion!<<< I think things were pretty low when Eisner left... but at the end, Eisner was a madman. Iger, is fixing that, but he's not doing anything new. And that's a huge issue with me. Synergy can only get you so far.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Yep, but also Disney's Animal Kingdom was on his watch, as was Disneyland Paris.
Originally Posted By crapshoot <<Yep, but also Disney's Animal Kingdom was on his watch, as was Disneyland Paris.>> But didn't he miss on both counts? EuroDisney was a miss in the beginning due to lack of DueDue Dilligence on Eisner's arrogance. And hasn't AK been lackluster in attendance?
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo But creatively both were fantastic, and at least were an attempt to do something right. Other than synergise the place until I want to vomit, what has Iger done?
Originally Posted By Manfried Disneyland Paris creatively fantastic? It was just a bigger version cookie cutter. Sorry, but other than a lot of detail, not really that creatively fantastic and that's just one of the reasons that park has always suffered financially. If it had been creatively fantastic - meaning really different from the others - maybe it would have been better.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Hmm, the arcades of Main Street USA, Discoveryland, the changes of Phantom Manor and Big Thunder, the first side wheeler in a park, Adventure Isle, a 1001 nights Bazaar, the first hotel at the front of a park, Alice's Curious Labrynth, a changed design of PotC including duelling pirates, a real change to the castle with an AA dragon larger than Tokyo's, the first time AA's were integrated in a Circlevision theatre with a brand new film across Europe that told a story. Then later on the first integrated audio on a coaster, followed by inversions in a Disney park, followed by the first catapult launch, soundtrack and inversions. Sounds pretty damn innovative to me.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Tokyo was cookie cutter, MK in many places too (except Liberty Square, though that was a DL idea). DLP was the least cookie cutter MK ever opened.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Tokyo was cookie cutter. When it first opened there were spots where you could stand and couldn't tell if you were in Orlando or Tokyo. Why did this topic get moved to WDW?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer And MK wasn't as much a cookie cutter as it was the second version... Larger, new attractions, like MMR, CBJ, Space Mountain... Not to mention it's lands were redesigned and intended for expansion, like Adventureland, and Frontierland. It's not a direct copy, rather than a redone version of Disneyland.
Originally Posted By gadzuux >> Why did this topic get moved to WDW? << I don't get that either. The inception of the thread was Al's comments about WDIs attitude towards DL CMs generally, and the DLH pool slide specifically.
Originally Posted By Manfried "Hmm, the arcades of Main Street USA, Discoveryland, the changes of Phantom Manor and Big Thunder, the first side wheeler in a park, Adventure Isle, a 1001 nights Bazaar, the first hotel at the front of a park, Alice's Curious Labrynth, a changed design of PotC including duelling pirates, a real change to the castle with an AA dragon larger than Tokyo's, the first time AA's were integrated in a Circlevision theatre with a brand new film across Europe that told a story." Just enhance versions of older creative ideas. The catapult launch was the only really new creative attraction, and it still called Space Mountain as first built in 1975.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo On that notion then, then what would you say was the last really original creation?
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<Disneyland Paris creatively fantastic? It was just a bigger version cookie cutter.>> As other posters have pointed out with specific examples to back up their claims, this is patently false. As usual, Manfried believes DLP is subpar because of who was leading EDL's creative team. It's just another slam against Baxter.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> To me it's no different than a camera man from Good Morning America being expected to chum it up with a cast member running Mr. Toad just because they both happen to work for Disney. Or some front desk clerk at the Animal Kingdom hotel expecting Barbara Walters to rub shoulders with them for the same reason. Disney is a big , big multinational entertainment conglomerate. The company's employee pool reflects an incredibly diverse range of disciplines, talents, skills, and notoriety. << Having manners should never be out of style. No matter your station in life.
