Originally Posted By davewasbaloo I did wonder Hans, as had my wife when I asked her if my passion blinded my judgement.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "but it's a fairly commonly recognized generalization for the younger set right now." This generalization has been around for hundreds of years. Maybe thousands. Your grandparents were thinking the same thing about your generation.
Originally Posted By Christi22222 Hmmm, did they talk about it in human resource meetings at major companies back then? Because they do now. Very different work force, and adjustments are required. I know the older generations always think they younger whipper snappers are a pain. But I'm talking about something different. Much like Boomers are a different generation and come with their own issues. Yet x gen flies fairly low beneath the radar.
Originally Posted By Manfried Yes I have. I think it is quite charming, but not a great creative leap. Now Tokyo Disney Sea was a great creative leap. And no its not a slam against the Baxter man.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<I know the older generations always think they younger whipper snappers are a pain. But I'm talking about something different. Much like Boomers are a different generation and come with their own issues. Yet x gen flies fairly low beneath the radar.>> Exactly. I'm not talking about the age difference. I'm talking about a shift in attitude with this generation. They have their own issues, and it's one mainly of entitlement. They act as though everyone else should give them what they want, simply because they exist. They do not care about others around them. "Cooperation" is not in their vocabulary. When I was their age, as a young anti-Establishment hippie, I didn't go out of my way to make other people miserable simply because it was fun to be a troll. Sure, we would do stuff that was against the rules, natch. But we didn't go all victim and start blaming other people when we got busted for it. And if another comrade in arms needed help or simply asked for some consideration, they didn't get flipped off or told to go the F away because we thought they were being too demanding. But with this generation? That's definitely the street most of them live on now. This current crop of youngsters is a different breed. They are more difficult to deal with, be it in a residential complex as butthead neighbors or in a business as whiny self-centered employees. The culture has definitely shifted closer towards narcissism as being acceptable if not desired. One look at Charlie Sheen, Sarah Palin, and Donald Trump is all you need to confirm the shift.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> This current crop of youngsters is a different breed. They are more difficult to deal with, be it in a residential complex as butthead neighbors or in a business as whiny self-centered employees. The culture has definitely shifted closer towards narcissism as being acceptable if not desired. One look at Charlie Sheen, Sarah Palin, and Donald Trump is all you need to confirm the shift. << Do you really feel comparing high profile celebraties to average people is a fair comparison.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Yes, I believe it is a fair comparison when said average people look up to these celebrities, envying their attitudes and lifestyles. I hear about the problems with the younger generation from my management friends all the time, as Christi pointed out. They are cut from a different cloth. We are a more narcissistic society overall, and the younger generation is definitely tied to it. Instant gratification breeds impatience and an entitlement attitude. And yes, average American citizens, especially the well-connected, socially-networked under-40 adults, are swimming in it.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Yes, I believe it is a fair comparison when said average people look up to these celebrities, envying their attitudes and lifestyles. << I think you have just as many people that don't care for them, possibly even a majority . What some people consider unexceptable behavior in the rich, and famous has been common for centuries. I really think the vast majority of young people are good folks, and will grow up to be good citizens. I think all of us tend to look at the bad exceptions, rather than the rule when, it comes to youth.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "Hmmm, did they talk about it in human resource meetings at major companies back then?" Probably. "I really think the vast majority of young people are good folks, and will grow up to be good citizens." Of course. Unlike those "youngsters" Charlie Sheen, Sarah Palin, and Donald Trump (are any of these under 40?).
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Of course. Unlike those "youngsters" Charlie Sheen, Sarah Palin, and Donald Trump (are any of these under 40?). << Sheen is 45, Palin is 47, and Trump is 55.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Disneyland Paris creatively fantastic? It was just a bigger version cookie cutter.>> <<As other posters have pointed out with specific examples to back up their claims, this is patently false.>> It absolutely is false. It is the template for what a 21st century MK-style park should be. A detailed, highest quality work of art. Derivative? Sure. How different can a MK be without being something else? Maybe we'll see in Shanghai. <<As usual, Manfried believes DLP is subpar because of who was leading EDL's creative team. It's just another slam against Baxter.>> It's not that I feel I should have to defend Tony ... isn't that Leemac's job here? ;-) But does he (or anyone else) really think the new guard at WDI is better than Tony's generation (which includes the likes of Tony Baxter, Joe Rohde, Eric Jacobson, Tom Morris ... even Bob Weis)? These new guys haven't exactly knocked one down the line in right for a two-run double, let alone belted some out of the park, year after year over decades like the others have.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Having manners should never be out of style. No matter your station in life.>> Oh ... go (expletive deleted) yourself with a pixe dust pipe! ;-)
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<This current crop of youngsters is a different breed. They are more difficult to deal with, be it in a residential complex as butthead neighbors or in a business as whiny self-centered employees. The culture has definitely shifted closer towards narcissism as being acceptable if not desired. One look at Charlie Sheen, Sarah Palin, and Donald Trump is all you need to confirm the shift.>> I definitely see a difference in younger people today ... not sure what the deal is. Most of my friends under 30 (many of them who have more money than I did at their ages) seem to feel like life is hopeless and they all seem to be depressed and anxiety-ridden ... there's a lot of living for today mentality and screw everyone else, yet they all seem to always be lonely and ... I don't even get it. But I believe as a society we have become very cold no matter the age. We don't care much for our fellow man, which is fine if he happend to be say ... Osama ... but not when he is a fried, neighbor or stranger in need. What this has to do with WDI? Damned if I know.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> I think you have just as many people that don't care for them, possibly even a majority . What some people consider unexceptable behavior in the rich, and famous has been common for centuries. << Note the date and time. I agree with Pierce on something!
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^What's the saying about a broken clock being right twice a day? ;-)
Originally Posted By leobloom >> I hear about the problems with the younger generation from my management friends all the time, as Christi pointed out. They are cut from a different cloth. We are a more narcissistic society overall, and the younger generation is definitely tied to it. Instant gratification breeds impatience and an entitlement attitude. And yes, average American citizens, especially the well-connected, socially-networked under-40 adults, are swimming in it. << Narcissism, impatience, entitlement... Sounds like most of the characters on the set-in-the-sixties "Mad Men." Pretty sure none of this is new to corporate America.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> When I was their age, as a young anti-Establishment hippie, I didn't go out of my way to make other people miserable simply because it was fun to be a troll. Sure, we would do stuff that was against the rules, natch. But we didn't go all victim and start blaming other people when we got busted for it. And if another comrade in arms needed help or simply asked for some consideration, they didn't get flipped off or told to go the F away because we thought they were being too demanding. But with this generation? That's definitely the street most of them live on now. << When I was a young hippie, we knew how to be anti-establishment! Kids these days don't know how to rebel, the dumb whippersnappers. C'mon skinnerbox. Sounds like you're looking at the past through some rose-colored pot smoke.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^I'd agree that kids today don't know how to rebel. If they did, I'm fairly certain we wouldn't be the mess of a society we now are. While they were busy on myspace then FB then Twitter (and all sorts of sites like this too) and playing video games and constantly on their stupid phones, democracy died quite a bit and Wall Street, despite being unmasked as giant Ponzi scheme, took over the country. I have a very low opinion of most young people today. What's worse is talk to anyone under 30 today and its like they know it all ... nothing like arguing about Disney history with fanbois who were kids when Beauty and the Beast came out (if they were even alive!)
Originally Posted By leobloom >> While they were busy on myspace then FB then Twitter (and all sorts of sites like this too) and playing video games and constantly on their stupid phones, democracy died quite a bit and Wall Street, despite being unmasked as giant Ponzi scheme, took over the country. << I doubt FB and Twitter had anything to do with Wall Street bailouts. People may be distracted, but if it wasn't social media it would be television and movies and top-40 radio and tabloids. Besides, it wasn't primarily 20-somethings who screwed the economy over. So what difference does social media make? If young adults hadn't been distracted online, you think there would've been a revolution? Not likely.
