Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Thank you very much for taking my side, MPierce. We need to start a petition to get Spirit of 74, Davewasbaloo, TDLFAN, etc. banned from this forum forever, as a perfect punishment for their idiotic and discriminatory ways and bad mouths and attitude problems.<<< Attitude problem? Only person I see with a attitude is you. The rest of us are trying to have a intellectual, adult and enlightened discussion based on different perspectives. If you don't like it, you can leave.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***74, you already started this same pointless, idiotic argument at WDWMagic. Button your lip and get a life, you ever-lasting pessimist! And that goes for you too, Davewasbaloo.*** Wow, personal attack much? They are making legitimate points, and if your only counter argument is "shut up, idiot", that means they're right and you've got nothin.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Thank you very much for taking my side, MPierce. We need to start a petition to get Spirit of 74, Davewasbaloo, TDLFAN, etc. banned from this forum forever, as a perfect punishment for their idiotic and discriminatory ways and bad mouths and attitude problems.*** If all you've got is personal attacks to offer, and nothing of substance (kindly link to a thread where you've contributed, and I'll retract my comment), then it's you who needs to be banned for being a flame baiting troll.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Sadly, Tokyo is more of a priority once I get the funds together. You know how they love Bowler hats and tea.*** Sadly? We do love our Bowlers, true, but it's not tea as you might imagine tea should be...no, no. It's GREEN tea, as in you'll turn green after you sample it. ;p
Originally Posted By HMButler1979 ""can't believe (of course I can but ... you need some hyperbole) that Disney is dumb enough to bring back a 20-something year old film that was good for its time, but not even exceptional then. And with the way MJ's life fell apart ... I can't get why Disney sees a fit for this even in Anaheim (they'll never bring it back in O-Town)."" I actually disagree with you for once! Spirit, we have been waiting for Mermaid, when it opens for TWENTY YEARS. Remember when we saw it on the EuroDisney Opening Day special? Opening 1995!! It was probably the most celebrated Disney Never Built attraction since WRE. WHen Tony and Joe did the virual ride through for teh Mermaid Platinum you knew it was comming SOMEWHERE. Now it is and we have reason to celebrate. And about EO. DLs 55th + MJ death/This IS It/new album =NOSTALGIA. And HISTA's experitaion date is loooooong past. It was INEVITABLE this was comming back for the 55th no matter what Iger's paranoid thought's were.
Originally Posted By HMButler1979 There IS gonna be something new next year. Sleepless, restless nights in TDO, obsessing over The Boy Who Lived.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy Just for some perspective, I believe that Disney is hoarding cash right now. They're spending quite a bit of free cash flow on the expansion at DCA, Hawaiian resort, and the Cruise Line. When you look at cash flow available from the parks business, there isn't much available after DCA and cruise ships. Compounding the problem is the fact that the studio has performed very poorly this year and not brought much cash to the table that can be shared among the other business units. I expect Disney is going to continue to be very conservative with capital expenditures until there is a substantial shift in economic sentiment that indicates things really are turning around. Down the road, Universal is building a major new attraction and financing it with debt. In fact, they have $1.5B in debt that needs to be refinanced next spring -- and it's still up in the air exactly how that is going to be refinanced in this economic environment. While it's disappointing to not have new a major new attractiong to get excited about at WDW, I think it's a fairly cheap shot to criticize in this economic climate. Theme parks are incredibly cash flow intensive enterprises. We've seen Six Flags go through bankruptcy in the past year, Cedar Fair is barely hanging on, and the owners of Universal are trying to figure out how to unload that asset before it's debts come due in the spring. As a stockholder, I don't want to see Disney burn through all of it's cash before the economy turns around. I already expect the earnings report from this quarter to be dismal, and there's not likely going to be any improvement for at least a year.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>There IS gonna be something new next year. Sleepless, restless nights in TDO, obsessing over The Boy Who Lived.<<< Good. I hope it lights a huge inferno barge sized fire under their assus.
Originally Posted By Sport Goofy << You're a stockholder? Ouch. >> I bought back in the 80s. It doesn't hurt that bad.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 As a stockholder, I don't want to see Disney burn through all of it's cash before the economy turns around. I already expect the earnings report from this quarter to be dismal ----- agreed - with one caveat, I would like to see them spring for some new stuff before the economy is completely back - be prepared when people decide a vacation is really needed...
Originally Posted By sjhym33 I agree. I think Disney is short sighted not to have ramped up new attractions during this time in preperation for when the economy bounces back.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Oh we will make it out to Florida again, once the kids are old enough to enjoy Kennedy Space Centre, St Augustine, and the Universal resort. We will of course go to DAK and Epcot while in the neighbourhood. Plus we have many friends we want to see. Maybe we will take a cruise.>> I hope so. WDW will always be worth a visit, so long as EPCOT and DAK stand. And there's stuff to enjoy at the 'other' parks too. I'd love to take ya around certain parts of our blessed little piece of paradise ... cruises are great too, but DCL commands a premium ... <<Sadly, Tokyo is more of a priority once I get the funds together.>> Me too. My fall of 2008 Interuppted by The Olympics and George Bush Breaking the World (that was for one special Spirit!) Trip to Tokyo that has been postponed more times than I care to think about is on again for May 2010. <<You know how they love Bowler hats and tea.>> 'Tis nothing better. Pip pip and all that.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Thank you very much for taking my side, MPierce.>> Hey, no fair. He told me he'd be on my side if I shared my Best of Sarah Palin speech collection. <<We need to start a petition to get Spirit of 74, Davewasbaloo, TDLFAN, etc. banned from this forum forever, as a perfect punishment for their idiotic and discriminatory ways and bad mouths and attitude problems.>> Kewl. Where do I sign up?
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >> What next a $1 double cheeseburger from BK? (yes, sadly that was my Spirited lunch today ... the taste of poverty!) << <<I lust over the thought of a couple of those everytime I see that commercial. As a matter of fact my wife just gave me my $10 weekly allowance, and I think I'm going to blow it all on those $1 BK double cheeseburgers.>> I generally am not a BK fan. But I gotta admit, that burger was likely the best I have had at any BK in many, many, many years. It looked and tasted like you see in ads. And with no fries and a small Coke, didn't blow my daily calorie count sky high! BTW, have you been to one of their new concept outlets? I thought they had a few with the new redesign in Houston.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>no, no. It's GREEN tea, as in you'll turn green after you sample it. ;p<<< I love green tea. When I am not bashing the mouse with my perceived lack of a life, I enjoy very much engaging in the drinking of tea as a detox and destress. Maybe that is the part of the problem I have with WDW, green tea can only be had in Epcot and DAK as far as I am aware. And the way it is served, I can't even become a green teabagger. Now, where did I put my hat and brolly.
Originally Posted By Mr X They serve green tea in DAK? Where, the Asia area or something? I actually acquired a taste for it myself, but it took a while. I really love Hagan Daas Green Tea ice cream. Yum.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<What difference does it make? Everybody already knows you're a free food whore.>> I think you are purposely avoiding WDW, so you don't have to add your name to the 'Take a Spirit To Dinner' list (there really is one!) ... convenient how you never had issues with WDW until THE LIST! <<Besides people can only say "basicly nothing" so many times.>> Um ,,, got nothing. <<I would be fine with future attractions if only they would get their landscaping back up to what it use to be. Also get the food quality to what it once was.>> Landscaping? Florida is a subtropical paradise where anything grows (Dave Barry, do I name drop and say I know he and Michelle personally? nah, was just on Craig Ferguson's show talking about our python problem ... as an aside, too bad you can't feed obnoxious fanbois too the pythons in the Glades and see if they'll 'splode from the fatties!)... so what was I saying? Oh yeah, so anything grows here, yet why is it that the flowers were so beautiful and vibrant in Paris last month, but MK believes wood chips are landscaping? <<If they continue with a strict maintainence program, that will keep me happy also.>> So, you like strict maintainance do you? Funny ... that's what Mrs. Pierce told me too! (Sorry, 3 a.m. ... working weird hours and have had waaaaay too much caffiene) <<A couple of new attactions every few years would be fine with me. They don't even have to be major additions. Just get the standards back to what Disney once took pride in. I really think that is much more important than a Fantasyland make-over at sometime in the future. >> So true. So basic ... and so true. BTW, hear about Shanghai yet? Brooks Barnes, who has no business writing for the NY Times, has a big story on the project. Where's Leemac to weigh in? Not that he's put on any weight lately or anything (or has he? anyone got a photo?) ;-)
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<Just for some perspective, I believe that Disney is hoarding cash right now. They're spending quite a bit of free cash flow on the expansion at DCA, Hawaiian resort, and the Cruise Line. When you look at cash flow available from the parks business, there isn't much available after DCA and cruise ships. Compounding the problem is the fact that the studio has performed very poorly this year and not brought much cash to the table that can be shared among the other business units. I expect Disney is going to continue to be very conservative with capital expenditures until there is a substantial shift in economic sentiment that indicates things really are turning around. Down the road, Universal is building a major new attraction and financing it with debt. In fact, they have $1.5B in debt that needs to be refinanced next spring -- and it's still up in the air exactly how that is going to be refinanced in this economic environment. While it's disappointing to not have new a major new attractiong to get excited about at WDW, I think it's a fairly cheap shot to criticize in this economic climate. Theme parks are incredibly cash flow intensive enterprises. We've seen Six Flags go through bankruptcy in the past year, Cedar Fair is barely hanging on, and the owners of Universal are trying to figure out how to unload that asset before it's debts come due in the spring. As a stockholder, I don't want to see Disney burn through all of it's cash before the economy turns around. I already expect the earnings report from this quarter to be dismal, and there's not likely going to be any improvement for at least a year.>> Wow. For once I almost agree with everything you wrote, Goof. I too am a stockholder, although I was oh-sooo-very wise and dumped a majority of my holdings in fall of 2007 with the stock just below $35 a share. I made a very tidy little profit. The rest, I'll just hold on to and see what happens. Anyway, while I substanitively agree with most of what you wrote, in the end I go away because of the fact Disney has been incredibly conservative in how it invests and reinvests in WDW. I know we've had this discussion ad nauseum but when Disney wasn't putting $$$ into the parks (when they were printing money allegedly in the 'alleged' great boom years of either Clinton or Bush, depending on your partisan politics ... my feelings are there was a great economic fraud perpetrated on the American public that began before Clinton, gained a tremendous amount of steam when he was in the White House and then went into sixth gear when W took over but 'nother story), it just seems like Disney's business model is invest as little as possible in WDW no matter whether times are great, awful or in between. Not smart business.
Originally Posted By -em >>I think you are purposely avoiding WDW, so you don't have to add your name to the 'Take a Spirit To Dinner' list (there really is one!) ..<< Believe me I know
