Originally Posted By vbdad55 again, focused on those breaking the law...you can choose to focus where you wish. If you have a national solution to make sure everyone works above the poverty level and has insurance, share it with your elected officials, they could use the help.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip I agree that the United States will soon devolve into a two class system, but think it has far more to do with the outrageous executive compensation common today and tax policies that screw the middle class than it has to do with the off-shoring of jobs. (Though the off shoring certainly doesn't help matters any.)
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 Massachusetts decided everyone 18+ must have insurance by July 1, this year. Or you don't get your personal exemption on your tax return. This aught to kill a lot of businesses.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Trippy - right into my sweet spot swing wise on off shoring - since that is my area of expertise. How can you say that when almot 8 million - yes thats 8,000,000 positions have left in less than 10 years. These are white collars - career path type jobs -- trust me that is the major hit - as I can't imagine say being a business major coming out of college today -- to do what ? where? I agree executive compensation is out of control - but even at a company of 400,000 + you are still talking about an inside group of 10-15 being paid outrageously - sickening, but not the impact on society stealing entry level and mid level careers.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <Massachusetts decided everyone 18+ must have insurance by July 1, this year. Or you don't get your personal exemption on your tax return. This aught to kill a lot of businesses.< that will be interesting, but the level of coverage can be extremely minimal and they will just fix that by making sure everyone works enough hours so that when they hold back some salary they will cover. Remember they only have to offer it to the employees, doesnt mean they have to pay for it woul dbe my guess. I do know in some places there, they cant find services workers. I spoke with the CEO of Au Bon Pain about 10 years ago after a roundtable I attended, and i remember him telling me when they started they actually bussed workers in, as well as paid far above minimum wage to make sure turnover wasn't 300% per year as it the industry standard.
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 The church with school I work for use to pay for family insurance. Now we only offer single, if they want family, they pay the difference. Family is now over $1,000 per month, single just under $400 a month. Explained to the principal that every time she hires someone who needs insurance, she needs to add one new student tuition to cover the cost. We have 40 employees right now, thankfully many of them get insurance through thier husbands.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<How can you say that when almot 8 million - yes thats 8,000,000 positions have left in less than 10 years.>> It really sucks now, but I see it as relatively temporary. As you have already noted the countries US companies outsource to keep changing because of rising wages. Sooner or later we will run out of countries, and will have a truly global economy where all compete on a level playing field. The outrageous concentration of wealth at the top is not a temporary thing, but it increases every day. The top 2% of the people control something like 50% of the wealth in this country. That is what I find the real threat to our system.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> Sooner or later we will run out of countries, and will have a truly global economy where all compete on a level playing field. << Yes, but what will that level playing field have evolved into by then. We are slowly turning into a nation that requires a lot of non-skilled laborers. We are completely becoming a service driven country rather than growing our technologies, and industries. If we continue to support businesses that out source our skilled jobs, and hire illegal aliens at slave wages, and forcing employees to work without pay, we will all end up working for them, and working from the cradle to the grave. We will be nothing more than just another third world country. Not a pleasant thought for me.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 < As you have already noted the countries US companies outsource to keep changing because of rising wages. Sooner or later we will run out of countries, and will have a truly global economy where all compete on a level playing field. < here's the issue -- the outsourcing say to South America yields very skilled admin - financial workers for 600- 800/month. Even if it doubles it is still poverty level wages ( and don't forget no health insurance costs) - so those jobs dont come back - they just go to say Malaysia -- then say Thailand -- the term global economy makes the hair on the back of my neck stand up as it is only used by those overpaid executives you mentioned before. A global economy would be corporations have workers in many countries -- handling business for those countries - areas - not a clearing house for all American- Euro countries. If business is India went up 300% and we increased workers there 200% - that's a global economy -- those 8 million jobs are NEVER coming back in any way shape or form -- the costs have been removed from the operating budgets and no exec is going to increase costs in today's business world - that is where most of the profit is coming from, reducing workforce, no productivity, not economy of scale, not better business practices...
