WDW Social 'Media' and Conspiracy

Originally Posted By Spirit of 74

601 Whoring Blogging Podcasting Dalmatians all looking for a piece of the action ....

 

Originally Posted By Expo_Seeker40

602 looking for a free laynard and a book signed by Mr. Smith.

 

Originally Posted By Spirit of 74

<<In 3 weeks we celebrate our 10th year since my wife 1st posted here... although I know we read it before then.

Amazing the path these forums have taken over the years.>>

Maybe your wife likes me more than you do ...

<<I should be working on my Disney Android app (yes... another way I'm sucking at Disney's teat) and I've found myself reading years old threads that my wife posted in.>>

And here in all its sarcastic glory you articulate why TWDC has some questions regarding WDW Co's Social Media Department and the way it is conducting 'business'.

 

Originally Posted By Spirit of 74

<<Lee is going to Paris for the first time, why did you not point him my way to ensure he has an awesome time?>>

I had him review your threads on the DLP board and he got plenty good (dare I say, great?) advice from me. He is only planning one day at DLP and four days seeing the sites of Paris.

I did give him your email as he is heading to London after for four days, but since this is a 'special' anniversary trip, I wouldn't expect to hear from him!

I did offer to take his place ... and Mrs. Lee was very tempted. However, I think I haggled too much over the Asian trip with me that she wanted in return.

 

Originally Posted By Spirit of 74

<<Just curious Andy||, do you sell Disney specific DVD's on your website?>>

Can you handle the truth, Pierce? ... I don't think you can.

Winky probably could, though.

 

Originally Posted By Spirit of 74

<<602 looking for a free laynard and a book signed by Mr. Smith.>>

I am sure Martin would give you a lanyard and sign a book of your choice. Those UKers have impeccable manners!

 

Originally Posted By andyll

<<Just curious Andy||, do you sell Disney specific DVD's on your website?>>

Jeff Lang CDs... just like LP. I also have plently of videos of Disney Park entertainment... just like LP.

<<Andy, there's nothing inconsistent about my views. And you're becoming tiresome with your AGENDA.
We both know that this thread is NOT about you, but you damn well want it to be. Why could that be ... ?>>

All I've done is reply to your posts...

1) I asked for you to substantiate your assertions in the OP.

You refuse to. For someone that professes to be a profession media person I find that curious. You are doing the same thing you accuse the Disney 'social media' of doing.

2) I've replied to your rants about websites using Disneys IP. I found it amusing and curious you would post so strongly about it on a website that is full of Disney's IP.

You and pierce and the only ones making it about me. Anytime I don't agree with you I get the 3rd degree.

Smart tactic... it keeps those that disagree with you from speaking up.

No agenda from me... just amusement.

Your over the top ranting about Disney Management and posting their emails on this and other forums make it hard to take you serious.

I think your 'sources' are involved in a 'directional' struggle within TWDC and are using you to present their side publicly.

It would be pretty funny if true... in that case you and your sources would be doing exactly what you are complaining about.

Or at least funny until someone got fired over it.

If your sources and allegations are true all this thread is doing is making some higher ups try to figure out who is leaking the internal information.

But carry on.

 

Originally Posted By DlandDug

>>Anytime I don't agree with you I get the 3rd degree.

Smart tactic... it keeps those that disagree with you from speaking up.<<

Oh brother.

There are people all over LP who have had disagreements with the Spirit. I've had them right here on this very thread.

No third degree-- just some spirited debate and an exchange of ideas. And sometimes the realization that we... just... don't... agree.

The difference? Maybe it's because some of us disagree without having what appears to be an agenda.

 

Originally Posted By andyll

<<The difference? Maybe it's because some of us disagree without having what appears to be an agenda.>>

My asking him to for some examples of "fanboi/soccer mom/bored housewife bloggers" is having an agenda?

That was my 1st post.

My stating the social media is just a new distribution method for corporate marketing?

That was my 2nd post.

That set off Pierce into asking me what connection I had with Disney. ( never figured out why what I posted resulted in that)

I've been accused of working for Lou... been accused of being Jeff Lange... been accused of being a Disney Social Media stakeholder.

All those accusations happened 'after' I disagree with Sprite.

It gets old and irritating.

My Agenda...

I don't believe "fanboi/soccer mom/bored housewife bloggers" are getting free week long trips to WDW.

I also don't believe Spirits using of the IP card against sites/people he doesn't like is appropriate.

If you don't like people using Disney's IP that's fine... but apply the same standard to all sites that use Disney's IP... which includes all Disney fan based websites.

But fine... I'm not going to react to the accusations anymore.

You can accuse me of being Thomas Smith if you want... I'll just ignore it and go ahead and post my opinion on the topics being discussed.

Andy

 

Originally Posted By DlandDug

Didn't mean to call anyone out-- particularly people I do not actually know. (A novel idea on the internet, I am well aware!)

I was using the term agenda not in a broad sense, but to specifically address the charge that the Spirit was targeting a specific individual, and by extension all who disagreed with him.

I just don't see it.

 

Originally Posted By andyll

Fair enough.

You are correct. Others have disagreed with him on specific points.

However... as far as I know I'm the only one being accused of an agenda.

If I was a brand new member I could understand it. But I've been a member for years.

No I don't post very much and rarely in the WDW section.

But there are 1000s of us that read LP daily that don't post much if at all.

It takes seconds to click on a persons profile to see if they were created just to post on a topic or if they been around a while and felt compelled to comment.

 

Originally Posted By Spirit of 74

<<The difference? Maybe it's because some of us disagree without having what appears to be an agenda.>>

<<My asking him to for some examples of "fanboi/soccer mom/bored housewife bloggers" is having an agenda?

That was my 1st post.>>

You want me name names, Andy and I'm not getting into that. Then, I'll hear about how I'm picking on individuals ... OK, Disney has invited plenty of the above people to the Dream launch cruise week and a resort tour/Star Tours opening week. Those are just the MAJOR events thus far in 2011 at WDW.

You claim to be a wiz at Google and Twitter and that you're on top of the Social Media Disney network, so I'm confident you can find the info. You don't want to. You already know it. Or you don't really care about it beyond the fact that you and wifey aren't on Disney's list and won't be.

<<My stating the social media is just a new distribution method for corporate marketing?

That was my 2nd post.

That set off Pierce into asking me what connection I had with Disney. ( never figured out why what I posted resulted in that)>>

There is a BIG difference between Social Media and companies using it and people stealing/using Disney's IP for their own financial gain blatantly. You did just make a comment about sucking from Disney's teat ... how do you come back from that?

<<I've been accused of working for Lou... been accused of being Jeff Lange... been accused of being a Disney Social Media stakeholder.

All those accusations happened 'after' I disagree with Sprite.>>

Perhaps you should drink Coke then ... I never accused you of working for Lou ... or being Jeff.

I said you had a pony in the race (well, actually someone else first said it, I believe, and I immediately agreed). Everyone thinks that. You've admitted it. You just desperately crave attention and want to be on the next Disney Cruise launch.

(this may surprise you, but I sincerely hope that you and your comments here don't wind up biting you in the arse bigtime as TWDC scrutinizes every $$$ of how WDW is handling Social Media).

<<It gets old and irritating.>>

Tell me about it ...

<<My Agenda...

I don't believe "fanboi/soccer mom/bored housewife bloggers" are getting free week long trips to WDW.>>

That's the stated guideline for just the official Mom's Panel ... again, you know these people are. Hell, people that live in FLA are getting free cruises, free hotel stays, free meals, free party invites, free swag. ... Stop with the BS.

<<I also don't believe Spirits using of the IP card against sites/people he doesn't like is appropriate.>>

I don't care what you like.

I don't like thieves.

I don't like people who feel entitled to take whatever they want.

And I have only named people who put themselves out there as personalities. You host podcasts at WDW ... you produce DVDs of Disney material and those folks are free game in a discussion of Disney IP and Social Media strategy.

<<If you don't like people using Disney's IP that's fine... but apply the same standard to all sites that use Disney's IP... which includes all Disney fan based websites.>>

Again, that's BS. I'm not here to write copyright law or debate it. And I'm not here to make policy for TWDC.
I'm simply pointing out obvious issues that again aren't just issues to me, but issues to others at TWDC. And for people who care about the Disney BRAND and don't think it should be allowed to be used by anyone who feels like it.

<<But fine... I'm not going to react to the accusations anymore.>>

Oh, playing the victim ... why don't you let your wife do some posting, maybe she'll make more sense.

<<You can accuse me of being Thomas Smith if you want... I'll just ignore it and go ahead and post my opinion on the topics being discussed.>>

I have a better idea. You feel like you're being screwed. You have been rejected by Disney for invites (and probably lied to as well as that is SOP at Celebration Place ... and just PR in general). I know you are not Thomas Smith. He'd be so unable to exercise self-control that he'd have already had en expletive filled tirade against me, attacked others who would answer him and be off the site in a day's time.

But, really, why don't you just call Thomas and get yourself on the list. Tell him you hate me, that should help you milk that cow!

Now ... please give me a weekend where I don't feel the need to respond to you or set the record straight.

 

Originally Posted By Spirit of 74

<<Didn't mean to call anyone out-- particularly people I do not actually know. (A novel idea on the internet, I am well aware!)

I was using the term agenda not in a broad sense, but to specifically address the charge that the Spirit was targeting a specific individual, and by extension all who disagreed with him.

I just don't see it.>>

Thanks, Doug.

I am not targeting an individual and have made that point as obvious as I can.

I wish people would read and comprehend what is written and not what they believe is there ...

Going to DLR this weekend? Been to Trader Sam's yet (would like to get to the DLR/DCA boards, but this thread has eaten up most of my LP.com time and then some)? If so, thumbs up?

 

Originally Posted By andyll

<<That's the stated guideline for just the official Mom's Panel >>

The Mom's Panel is an offically sponsered Disney collection of Fans.

The Disney Blog is the official Disney blog.

Both appear on Disney owned websites and are expected to provide Disney marketing.

It would not be unethical for those people to receive 'swag' (if they do) because it is public knowledge they are affiliated with Disney.

If non-afflicated sites are doing Disney marketing because they receive 'swag' under the table then it's unethical of them.

You keep confusing the two.

<<There is a BIG difference between Social Media and companies using it and people stealing/using Disney's IP for their own financial gain blatantly. >>

You are now confusing 3 different issues:

1) Disney using Disney affliated social media for marketing.

2) Disney secretly using un-afflicated social media for marketing.

3) Disney Websites using Disney IP for financial gain.

All 3 are different topics/issues.

<<Now ... please give me a weekend where I don't feel the need to respond to you or set the record straight.>>

Don't respond to me if you don't want to. It's not going to hurt my feelings.

It's not your website and you don't get to dictate who posts on threads.

I already suggested you open your own site where you can control the message.

If Doobie asks me to quit replying to you or to quit posting on this thread then I would honor his wishes.

And please quit mentioning my wife. I offhand mentioned she and I have been members for years and now you are snidely mentioning her in every post to me.

 

Originally Posted By RoadTrip

<<I think I covered that above, Trippy. But I do feel you were whacking at my knees with a baseball bat, while claiming 'just playing with ya, buddy!' ... Would you say the same about Leemac? Not only does he publish Tales and is part of the team here, but he also is a high-level consultant for TWDC ... and he always looks at the product with a fair and critical eye and isn't afraid to take shots at the company and execs when he feels they are warranted.>>

You totally misread me Spirit... I was pointing you out as someone whose opinion could NOT be bought. And I know there are others out there with the same integrity you have. So as usual, I hate painting with a broad brush. I just feel there are many like yourself who COULD accept free trips and "swag" from Disney without having their opinion bought. And if you were on the receiving end, I think you would also be the first to say that although opinion buying sometimes happens it does not happen all the time, and those with integrity will not let their opinion be bought.

I just hate saying that EVERYONE given stuff becomes a media whore because I know that is not the truth. It wouldn’t bother me a bit if you were give all kinds of swag... I know it wouldn't change your opinion. And I also think you would be rather silly to turn it down if offered.

 

Originally Posted By figment1986

Spirit, next time you go to WDW you need to hit me up... it' been a long time since our last sparing match

in other news... Disney is NOT the only one hitting up bloggers recently... I was just at Discovery Cove for the grand reef, first visit and it was amazing... (warning, it was a free trip so my rose colored glasses are still on)

 

Originally Posted By DlandDug

>>Going to DLR this weekend? Been to Trader Sam's yet...<<

I doubt I will be able to get away this weekend. And I have only been able to peek in at Trader Sams a couple of times. I am dealing with a major family medical crisis right now, and have only been able to get away for the official media events. (And where is all this fabulous swag we are supposed to be getting "bought off" with?)

After the month my wife and I have gone through, I could write a comprehensive article on the hospital we have been in and out of-- comparative reviews of the rooms in each building, cafeteria food vs. in-room service, and staff profiles for dozens of individuals, from doctors to cleaning ladies. But that would hardly be of interest to the LP crowd...

 

Originally Posted By DlandDug

>>1) Disney using Disney affliated social media for marketing.

2) Disney secretly using un-afflicated social media for marketing.

3) Disney Websites using Disney IP for financial gain.

All 3 are different topics/issues.<<

I think this is a very valid point. Spirit, perhaps after a well deserved break for the weekend, you could break this down succinctly. It would help me to understand the extent of your concern about the "Social 'Media' and Conspiracy."

 

Originally Posted By davewasbaloo

>>>But that would hardly be of interest to the LP crowd...<<<

Maybe not everyone, but some of us, yes. More to the point, I want to be sure you guys are being treated well?

And hey dug, I would call interviewing a ghost swag ;-) That was an LPer's dream (well mine anyway).

 

Originally Posted By DlandDug

>>I would call interviewing a ghost swag...<<

I'll give you that one! But the trade-off was that I had to appear on camera. It has NEVER been my intent to be an online personality (we have plenty enough of those, thank you!). But to share that experience required me to put on a jacket, take off my hat, and comb my hair. Hope it was worth it for the readers...!