WDW Social 'Media' and Conspiracy

Originally Posted By Bolna

NYWF Dalmations for EPCOT Explorer!

 

Originally Posted By Bolna

<<Now, Bolna, you are sounding like a Spirited hater! ;-)>>

Oh? Should that worry me??

<<Besides, did you know San Angel Inn has a new menu?!?!? REALLY?!??!>>

Yes, and did you notice that the new table layout looks way more crowded?

<<Is that enough to get you to plan a MAGICal WDW vacation from Germany? ;-)>>

Of course, just as much as the opening of the new pizza place in Italy...

 

Originally Posted By Bolna

<<I couldn't help but notice their...um...unusually (even for Magic) exuberant and wildly positive tone.>>

Scary stuff. How can someone just blindly believe like that?

Even if those posters are legimite, I wonder whether we aren't starting to see some "success" of the Social Media people - by encouraging this style more and more people will adopt it. If this is becoming the acceptable way Disney fans speak about Disney, people will just follow. As I said - scary.

 

Originally Posted By Bolna

<<They can be making tons of money or losing money.. I paid what they wanted, they should deliver what they market.>>

Yes, and that's just common sense! I wonder whether there are other products where people are so accepting of lessened quality?

 

Originally Posted By Bolna

<<History, Lee, history. The NYWF site and museum is only going to be a day out of the trip.

The rest will be filled with seeing the rest of the city's landmarks and museums and shows.>>

EE, that sounds like a wonderful trip that you have planned there! New York City is a fantastic place to visit, I hope you will enjoy it.

 

Originally Posted By Lee hisownself

>>History, Lee, history. The NYWF site and museum is only going to be a day out of the trip.

The rest will be filled with seeing the rest of the city's landmarks and museums and shows<<

I know, I know...just funnin' with ya.

I must say, the whole Papi blogger thing is very disturbing. It feels as if we are only one small step from a time where not only is someone like him embraced and used by a company like Disney...but is actually CREATED by them for the specific purpose of pushing their agenda/product.

Weird times...

~GFC~

 

Originally Posted By Bob Paris 1

See, I am still kinda just assuming that is ALL he and his "family" are.

Just corporate creations to spruke products - "See, we're JUST LIKE YOU!!!!!"


-POQ-

 

Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer

>>>I love Flushing Meadows park...the site of the NYWF. The Queens Museum has a great Worlds Fair exhibit and the Unisphere is always impressive. The NY State Pavillion (seen in Men in Black) is in terrible shape but still a wonder to see. There are some great DVD's about the NY Worlds Fair that I would recommend. I grew up in NYC and my family went to the Fair alot growing up.<<<<

That is going to be our first stop. LOL. They have an exhibit in the QAM that ends the day after we arrive that covers the construction and industrial history of the 1939 fair.... so when we found that out we bumped up our dates and everything. Meant to be? Maybe!

And yes, very much looking forward to seeing the Unisphere.

>>>NYWF Dalmations for EPCOT Explorer!<<<

Thanks!

>>>EE, that sounds like a wonderful trip that you have planned there! New York City is a fantastic place to visit, I hope you will enjoy it.<<<

Thanks very much... I've been looking forward to getting back to NYC for almost a decade now.


>>>>I know, I know...just funnin' with ya.

I must say, the whole Papi blogger thing is very disturbing. It feels as if we are only one small step from a time where not only is someone like him embraced and used by a company like Disney...but is actually CREATED by them for the specific purpose of pushing their agenda/product<<<

Oh, I know YOU were.... but others? Not so much. The immediate reaction to this was to decry NYC, to ask about WDW (I live on top of WDW. I go twice a year. I was just there in June! Why would I go again!?) or DL. Granted, DL and Cali looks like a fantastic trip, but... not now. This is cheaper, more interesting at the moment, and it's something DIFFERENT. I've already had Disney in my summer. LOL.

...speaking of social media and mental illness, right? OK, back on topic...

>>>><<I couldn't help but notice their...um...unusually (even for Magic) exuberant and wildly positive tone.>>

Scary stuff. How can someone just blindly believe like that?

Even if those posters are legimite, I wonder whether we aren't starting to see some "success" of the Social Media people - by encouraging this style more and more people will adopt it. If this is becoming the acceptable way Disney fans speak about Disney, people will just follow. As I said - scary.<<<<<


This is something that really stood out to me, too.

...I think it is VERY VERY VERY telling about the mentality that people look for online: non challenging. Something that makes them feel good, that they can turn their mind off to, to stay happy about, something that doesn't challenge their ideas.

And I think that's why the disingenuous writings of all of these... erm... people... go over so well. They are EASY. People want EASY. I mean, who REALLY goes onine to debate, and read and type, and write essays?! ;-)

~GFC~

~NYWF64~

~QAM~

~EC~

~EE~

~NYC~

~MD~

~GFC!!!!!!!!!~

 

Originally Posted By Spirit of 74

<<It really is sinister that Zenia and Thomas have gone "above and beyond" (oh hai there The Basics) in trying to control the message by actually casting their own personal stooge who happens to be of an ethnicity that they may be trying to tap. I'd prefer Lou and Magical Steve...better the devil you know than the devil you don't.>>

I don't know if I agree. I think they're all symptoms of the same cancer, really.

Someone told me that MAGIC has kicked into high Pixie Dust mode with new 'plants' onboard praising the F-land 'expansion' while others are calling it their Disney Fanboi duty to attack WWoHP and anything UNI does out of loyalty to the Disney BRAND.

If that doesn't speak to corporate brainwashing and propaganda and a healthy dose of mental illness on top, then I don't know what does.

<<Of course, I'd rather everyone just be honest...ah, to wish upon a star.>>

Honesty? In 21st century America? With people having $$$ and 'Disney Lifestyles' on the line?

REALLY?!??!

~GFC~

 

Originally Posted By ReelJustice

<<I don't know if I agree. I think they're all symptoms of the same cancer, really.

Someone told me that MAGIC has kicked into high Pixie Dust mode with new 'plants' onboard praising the F-land 'expansion' while others are calling it their Disney Fanboi duty to attack WWoHP and anything UNI does out of loyalty to the Disney BRAND.

If that doesn't speak to corporate brainwashing and propaganda and a healthy dose of mental illness on top, then I don't know what does.>>

Well, the good news is, most posters on said thread in MAGICal realms have noticed something doesn't seem quite right. Nice to see Leewhateverhecallshimself and Tirian speaking out about MAGICal plants!

<<Honesty? In 21st century America? With people having $$$ and 'Disney Lifestyles' on the line?

REALLY?!??!>>

I know, I know. What a concept right?

 

Originally Posted By Spirit of 74

Oops, top of last post got deleted by accident.

<<Our good friend Merfy has been pretty down lately. tWDC has been ignoring him and doesn't credential him. Surprisingly, he puts out the best info most of the time.>>

I miss Merf, but he is waaaay too bitter (and the Spirit enjoys a healthy dose). He went bonkers here and I still don't know what went down on MAGIC.

I don't know that they should credential him or not. Anyone can put out a book these days with the wonders of self publishing. But his info is usually quite good, when he doesn't let his bitterness about his experiences in California and France cloud his judgment.

But when you don't credential legit folks like Kevin Yee (who I wish would contribute more here), it does speak volumes about what Disney is all about.

<<Back to Papi, you've almost got me feeling sympathetic towards Lou, Tom, and Steve right now...almost. While I may not like them or agree with their "selling out", at least Lou and Steve have been "good soldiers" for the company and as you said, put in the time. And further, while they may lie about the product, at least Lou and Steve know it..and the past. Not really familiar with Tom other than "WDW has never been better!">>

Lou just reeks of being underhanded. And it's pretty obvious there's some relationship between he and company stooges that most people would find underhanded. Steve ... I don't even know what his deal is. But defending WDW all of the time does nothing for his credibility. Tom ... never heard of him until recently and it seems like he is a smaller time version of Lou who doesn't have a sense of humor.

The problem with any/all of them is simply the basic point of how can you trust ANYTHING these people say when their whole goal is to be able to live the 'Disney Lifestyle'?

There is no impartiality, yet they'll argue that there is. They just love Disney and believes it can do no wrong and they'll shout down anyone who disagrees ... but it isn't because they have personal/financial interests in doing so, right?

There are people who almost live at the parks and could help make them better for all of us by contributing to fixthemagic.com, yet they'll never do it because they know it won't make Disney happy and therefore isn't in their interests to actually take their talents and use them for something good.

After all, we need more pictures of how Fantasyland looks today versus two days ago ... but not attractions that are in disrepair, neglected areas of the parks and resorts, examples of bad show etc.

~GFC~

 

Originally Posted By Spirit of 74

<<Yes. I loved that. Need to find that quote ... >>

Post # 190 in "New Entry Plaza question??" on the "DCA, Future Expansion" board:

<<Part of what I believe has gone wrong in Disney is that everything has become so self referential. I understand the need for promotion and synergy. But I cannot help but reflect on the fact that the original artists and designers and writers and visionaries that created the real Disney magic had a breadth of interests and experience that was based largely in the real world.>>

<<I knew where to find it because the comment was made in reply to a post from me. >>

Yep. That's it. Great point. And so, so, so true. Disney used to be about a whole lot more than selling the BRAND.

DL wasn't all about the BRAND. Mr. Lincoln wasn't. Small World wasn't. Mansion wasn't. PoC. wasn't NOS wasn't. The whole Florida project wasn't ... even EPCOT Center certainly wasn't.

They were all quintessentially Disney, but not the Disney BRAND.


<<Nailed it again, Bolna. I so like converting people over to the Dark Side (otherwise known as reality!)>>

<<Thanks! But no "converting" necessary - it's just plain logic.>>

Logic? On a Disney fan discussion board? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

<<I enjoyed the parks in the past, but I don't want to go back. I enjoyed UNI's parks in the past. The thing is they are adding and improving and Disney isn't (mostly in Florida, to be fair, but I live here ... these are MY parks!) What I want is Disney to keep improving them and making them better ...and they aren't, Social Media whores aside, they are heading in the opposite direction.>>

<<Living in the past is always easier than taking up the new challenges of today. >>

Are we talking about Disney or the lives of fans or both? ;-)

<<I think that Disney thinks they are still improving the parks and making them better - that's what those interactive queues are about and the new game at the MK. Or even the princess-themed rooms at Riverside...>>

I think some people at Disney believe they are still improving the parks and making them better. But many certainly don't ... Ask someone like a Tony Baxter or a Joe Rohde what they think when they aren't being followed by plaids and publicists.

<<But to me this just seems that they are losing themselves into unneccesary details and are forgetting about the core of what those parks are about.>>

Agreed!

~GFC~

 

Originally Posted By Bolna

<<First, been a bit surprised there hasn't been more chatter on Manny the Super MAGICal Papi Blogger.>>

To be honest, he is just too depressing.

I just had another look at his blog and felt so sorry for the kids.

The only bright side of this is that your post about him was very entertaining to read...

<<Papi Manny was created by corporate interests and for the express purpose of pimping products like 'Disney Parks'. The website his company runs as a blog was manufactured to facilitate his personal financial interests and to coincide with the needs of his large stable of corporate clients. Ditto for his Twitter account. And, yeah, the same for his Facebook pages. >>

Yes, if you read the introduction to his person carefully, he even states that. Supposedly the blog is about "creative parenting tricks" - that might be a topic which indeed could be of interest for parents. And last year there were quite a few posts filed under "parenting tricks" (whether one agrees with his views on that or not would be a different issue). But this year there have been only 14 posts filed under that topic so far, 2 from guest bloggers and 2 are only announcements. He seemed to have lost focus there...

<<As for those hits, well, let's just say that's most definitely not a strong point for Papi. See, the numbers for his blog (unfortunately now boosted by his mention here) are abysmal. Really not even enough to justify inclusion on any list for Disney's Social Media Dept. Remember though, this 'blogger' was cast by TWDC and feeds their newly-launched Latino site.

Papi Manny's numbers, unlike those of all (or most) of the other bloggers/podcasters, aren't all that important to TWDC. Just another example of how the company still has no real idea as to how to properly engage the fan community with Social Media. Where others, some well-known for years in the community, beg for invites/cooperation or simple info, this blogger simply shows up 'on set' as directed by the 'mother company'.>>

But, why do they do that??? If he doesn't even get the hits? Do they have a budget which they must burn and have no better ideas?

 

Originally Posted By Bolna

<<I must say, the whole Papi blogger thing is very disturbing. It feels as if we are only one small step from a time where not only is someone like him embraced and used by a company like Disney...but is actually CREATED by them for the specific purpose of pushing their agenda/product.>>

Ever seen the film "The Joneses"? It's just about this.

 

Originally Posted By ReelJustice

<<I miss Merf, but he is waaaay too bitter (and the Spirit enjoys a healthy dose). He went bonkers here and I still don't know what went down on MAGIC.

I don't know that they should credential him or not. Anyone can put out a book these days with the wonders of self publishing. But his info is usually quite good, when he doesn't let his bitterness about his experiences in California and France cloud his judgment.>>

Agreed.

<<The problem with any/all of them is simply the basic point of how can you trust ANYTHING these people say when their whole goal is to be able to live the 'Disney Lifestyle'?>>

Well, you can't, but we aren't meant to. Their message is for those who are already lost. Preaching to the choir. Which again brings us back to the point that @DisneyParks doesn't really know how to handle Social Media.

Papi on the other hand seems to be an example of reaching out to the layman/woman and sucking them into the lie...especially the growing (and GROWING) Hispanic market!

Lou, Steve, and Tom are for the pixie dust-addicted fanbois who crave the construction photos you mention.