Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<All depends on if you like the overlay. I can't stand NBC...would not want my HM closed for it at all. >> Then don't go during the overlay. Easy solution.
Originally Posted By Christi22222 >>No, I think RT makes a good point Hokie. HOWEVER, there are certain intangibles that, while your average Joe 6-pack and his family might not notice per se (and thus not note it on one of their customer satisfaction surveys), I think do get subconsciously noticed and thus decrease overall customer satisfaction. That's where WDW does seem to fail far more than any of the other Disney resorts I've been to.<< THIS!! I haven't read the whole thread, but this is the thing that I keep coming back to. So absolutely true.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 I can't stand NBC...would not want my HM closed for it at all. ----- I am a huge NBC fan, but would like to see an attracion based on it, not a HM overlay for Halloween ( or longer)
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>Then don't go during the overlay. Easy solution.<<< It's not that simple. HM is something that's tied to Disneyland and MK as a whole. Changing it up effects the experience of the whole park. I really don't want that to happen to the whole park, as much as I do to the ride.
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper <<It's not that simple. HM is something that's tied to Disneyland and MK as a whole. Changing it up effects the experience of the whole park. I really don't want that to happen to the whole park, as much as I do to the ride.>> Hahaha. I'm sorry, but that just sounds funny to read.
Originally Posted By DlandDug This kind of comical. I well remember that this situation was almost exactly reversed back in the 90s. It seemed that the Magic Kingdom got all the love and budget, while poor old Disneyland (there was no Disneyland Park, as there was no Disneyland Resort back then) got nothing but neglect. At the height of the Pressler era we actually had canvas awnings draped over rotting porch rails on the Plaza Pavilion, within view of Sleeping Beauty Castle and the Hub. And the locals (that pack of entitled Annual Pass holders!) were NOT HAPPY. We were like rude kids in the back of the classroom, stamping our feet and muttering under our breath about the UNFAIRNESS of it all. By the time 2005 was staring us in the face (2005, a somewhat significant year in Disneyland history), it seemed that Disneyland was doomed to be forever trailing in the MK's wake. But we all know how the story played out, and now, here we are, with a situation almost exactly in reverse. Life is odd!
Originally Posted By DlandDug As far as a deep, historical/sociological underpinning for this whole thing goes, there is also the Walt Effect. Walt Disney LOVED Disneyland. It's the only theme park in which he ever set foot. For over ten years he massaged the place, lavishing a lot of care and attention on every detail, and (just incidently) setting the precedent for constant improvement over phony nostalgia for anything outdated. Contrast this to the creation of the Magic Kingdom. Walt's real interest in "The Florida Project" was his desire to create EPCOT, an actual city that would demonstrate his ideas to cure the ills of poor urban planning. With a real "Tomorrowland" in the offing, Walt didn't really spend much time on the Magic Kingdom. Been there, done that. In fact, some of the old-time Imagineers have detailed (mostly off the record) their frustration in getting Walt to even discuss the MK. Their only charge was to make it bigger. As far as the details went, Walt's attention was elsewhere. And that, I believe, set a precedent that resonates to this day. They just don't care, because Walt really didn't either.
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer Doug...Hopefully MK get's it's own "2005" sometime soon. The thing is, nothing should ever need that, especially something in Disney. Terrible...
Originally Posted By vbdad55 >>This kind of comical. I well remember that this situation was almost exactly reversed back in the 90s. It seemed that the Magic Kingdom got all the love and budget, while poor old Disneyland (there was no Disneyland Park, as there was no Disneyland Resort back then) got nothing but neglect. At the height of the Pressler era we actually had canvas awnings draped over rotting porch rails on the Plaza Pavilion, within view of Sleeping Beauty Castle and the Hub. And the locals (that pack of entitled Annual Pass holders!) were NOT HAPPY. We were like rude kids in the back of the classroom, stamping our feet and muttering under our breath about the UNFAIRNESS of it all. By the time 2005 was staring us in the face (2005, a somewhat significant year in Disneyland history), it seemed that Disneyland was doomed to be forever trailing in the MK's wake. But we all know how the story played out, and now, here we are, with a situation almost exactly in reverse. Life is odd!<< great post DD -- some people seem to have selective memory about that situation
Originally Posted By HokieSkipper And yet Disneyland still got an E ticket added during that time. MK has been waiting 19 years, and is gonna wait a lot more.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Although I meant this thread to compare the Magic Kingdom with Disneyland Park, I do think that WDW is overall a better vacation destination than Disneyland. UNLESS... You go there on a ROAD TRIP!! You cannot beat DL for a road trip… that was one of my best vacations ever. The scenery in the west is absolutely spectacular. You can also stop in Vegas on the way home (like we did) and let Sin City help with your recovery from pixie dust. ;-) A road trip to Orlando would be unimaginably horrible. As far as the two parks go, I prefer Disneyland (even though I think its castle is lame). As I've said before, Disneyland has more attractions and when there are differences in the same attraction the DL version is almost always better. DL is much more charming, but that charm is a big drawback when it results in the massive crowding for Fantasmic. I've never seen DL's Fantasmic because the crowding in Frontierland and New Orleans Square makes me positively claustrophobic. I make sure I'm safely tucked away in Tomorrowland before the show starts! But Disneyland is overall a much more enjoyable park than the Magic Kingdom. There is absolutely no comparison between the two Fantasylands.
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>A road trip to Orlando would be unimaginably horrible.<< Hey! Hey hey hey! You can always stop at the Disney World Visitor Center in Ocala on the way home!
Originally Posted By DlandDug >>And yet Disneyland still got an E ticket added during that time. MK has been waiting 19 years, and is gonna wait a lot more.<< The MK, yes, but not WDW. Look at the additions there from 1990-2005. The last straw was when it was announced that Disneyland's 50th celebration would include four "gifts" to... WALT DISNEY WORLD! And nothing new at Disneyland.
Originally Posted By leobloom >> Hey! Hey hey hey! You can always stop at the Disney World Visitor Center in Ocala on the way home! << Actually, the WDW Welcome Center in Ocala closed several years ago. If that's not right, someone please correct me. My family stopped there many times in the 1990s on our drives from Atlanta. There was also a WDW radio station that you could pick up on I-75. I believe the radio station is also long gone. Too bad, those small parts of the experience added a lot to the WDW vacation.
Originally Posted By sjhym333 I think your correct. The Ocala center has been closed for a long time now.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 ^^^ we drive down every year and I think it is aat least 3-4 years since OCala closed.. the last time it was open was whateer year I drove through a tropical depression in July - got off at the Ocala exit for take a break at the welcome center- and it was gone
Originally Posted By Mr X I remember the radio stations...back in the 70's and 80's, THAT was extremely magical!
