Originally Posted By skinnerbox Here's one last thing to consider, MamaTink, before you start packing: As of Dec 19, 2009, Arizona has 8.9% unemployment, compared to Florida, which has 11.5% unemployment. Regionally, the counties surrounding WDW have the following rates as of Nov 2009: Osceola - 13.3% Polk - 12.9% Lake - 12.7% Orange - 11.7% Seminole - 10.9% Sumter - 9.7% I don't know whether or not to admire your courage for leaving a state with overall better weather and better employment rates, or shake my head at your foolishness. The economy is still in the basement, but you're willing to gamble thousands of dollars to uproot your family and move to an area with worse prospects for job security than where you currently reside. And if you're moving to Florida without job prospects already lined up, it's a gigantic gamble. Lots of people have tried to dissuade you from doing this, but you're not heeding our advice one bit. So I have to ask you... why the heck did you even start this thread to begin with, when you already had your minds made up?
Originally Posted By demderedoseguys >So I have to ask you... why the heck did you even start this thread to begin with, when you already had your minds made up?< IMO, the thread was started to get validation for a decision that was already made.
Originally Posted By MPierce >> (and that's leaving the redneck, rightwing wackos out of it entirely!) << That would be discrimination! >> And Pierce, why you back a day and hating on France? It's a wonderful place ... and lots of snow now (Disney and More blog has some amazingly beautiful pics of DLP covered in real snow!) << You better quit drinking those adult beverages while reading the post here. I didn't say one hateful thing about France. I can't recall ever saying anything hateful about France. Que vive la France! Now I want you to think back to the riots that took place in Paris, and other areas of France. Think about the extreme leftist who have set up their own little kingdoms in French neighborhoods. Their goal is to remove French culture from the French ground that they occupy. Now with that knowledge in hand, put down that drink, and read what I said again. MPierce said, >> Don't be scared of us Dave. Who's going to support everybody if you run us off. I would be more concern with the left wing radicals setting up their own little neighborhoods in your adopted country. Look what's happening to France. <<
Originally Posted By MPierce I don't drink much soda water. What are these throwbacks y'all keep talkin' about?
Originally Posted By MPierce >> It is miserable living someplace that you don't like. And you never really know how much you'll like living someplce until you live there. I love living in the Orlando area, and can easily see why others are interested in living here. Let me know when you are coming and I will but together a nice welcome wagon gift basket. << Now that's right neighborly of you Dave.
Originally Posted By MPierce Once again I say if the entire family is in agreement, follow your dream. You may never get another chance.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<IMO, the thread was started to get validation for a decision that was already made.>> I would tend to agree with this. It also sounds to me like both of them are currently employed in AZ, but do not have jobs lined up in FL, before they move. So they're going to quit their jobs and relocate their family to central FL so they can live closer to a Disney theme park than they do now, and hope that they can find decent paying jobs on the other end, once they've moved. All during a severe economic recession which has hit Florida more so than Arizona. What a mature and responsible decision for parents to make. Pixie dust addiction. It ain't pretty.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<Once again I say if the entire family is in agreement, follow your dream.>> Sorry, but elementary school-aged children should not get a vote. "Hey, kids... how would you like to live near Walt Disney World?" Yeah, like they're going to say "No, we wouldn't like that." <<You may never get another chance.>> If it's meant to be, another chance will emerge. "You may never get another chance" for a situation like this one, is basically bunk. If these people were suffering, money-wise, because of long-term unemployment, and the prospects of job offers were better in FL than AZ, then I'd say, sure, go for it. But that's not what's happening here. They suggested in earlier posts that they both work and there are no job offers on the table in FL. It's very irresponsible, especially in this economy, to quit your jobs and uproot your family, simply because you hate where you are now, and that Disney is a large part of your life and you want to live closer to one of their theme park resorts. Yeah, well, life often sucks. But you do what needs to be done for your family. You're the ones who decided to have kids... now start acting like responsible parents and give them the most secure future you can provide.
Originally Posted By MPierce I believe these folks asked for peoples opinions. Not to be belittled. >> Sorry, but elementary school-aged children should not get a vote. "Hey, kids... how would you like to live near Walt Disney World?" Yeah, like they're going to say "No, we wouldn't like that." << They are part of the family so they should have a say in it. I never implied that they should be the ones making the final decision. They will be giving up their friends, changing schools, and moving to an unfamilar state. They have every right to have a voice in this matter. I grew up loving Disneyland, however, at no time did I ever want to move there. These folks seem like they have a dream. Sometimes it's much more important to follow your own dream rather than do what someone else considers to be the rational, and right thing for you to do. Had I always done the safe, and rational thing I would have missed out on a lot of joy in my life. Sometimes you just have to take chances. I'm sure these folks will do what they think is right for their family.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<These folks seem like they have a dream. Sometimes it's much more important to follow your own dream rather than do what someone else considers to be the rational, and right thing for you to do.>> If they were doing this move for a better job opportunity, or to have a chance to attend their dream school or go for their dream career, that's one thing. But these people are moving to FL to be closer to a Disney theme park! That's not a dream. That's a whacked perspective about what's important in life while raising a family. If you think I'm belittling them, that's your choice. I'm calling it as I see it. And I'm seeing two selfish and spoiled parents who are addicted to pixie dust and use it as a substitute for meaningful activities with their kids that don't involve the Disney franchises or brands. The mere thought of moving to a state with worse unemployment without having new jobs lined up is stupid. STUPID!! And I hope the kids don't end up getting screwed over by their parents' possible long-term unemployment because of it.
Originally Posted By MPierce Loving ones job is a very important thing. Don't you feel you are being a little harsh calling people stupid when you really have no idea of their circumstances. Telling someone you think it's an unwise decision or a bad idea is one thing. Calling folks selfish, and stupid seems to have crossed the line of good taste. They've lived, and worked in Florida before. They have friends in the area. They are not happy with where they live now, and I would guess they're not happy with their jobs either. Why not pick up roots, and go for your dreams. When the whole family agrees on it, how can that be selfish? People start all over pursuing their dreams all the time. Sometimes it works out, sometimes it doesn't. They've already said if it doesn't work out at least they tried. I have a feeling these folks just didn't wake up yesterday, and say let's move to WDW. I'm sure a lot of thought has gone into this. You can choose to let life steer you or you can choose to steer life. It's up to each individual.
Originally Posted By dshyates After rereading the original post, I don't get the impression they were asking for our approval or opinions about their decision. But asking for suggestions on how to make the transition to FL easier in regards to safe neighborhoods and such. And one thing that people have to remember concerning FL's unemployment numbers is that FL has a statewide average education of 10th grade. For many of the people without experience or education, there is very little opportunity in the recessionary climate we are in. But for those with both experience and education there are some jobs to be had. Albeit fewer than in the salad days, but still there are jobs. And I couldn't possibly be judgemental regarding their decision considering I did a similar thing this past March.
Originally Posted By danyoung You also gotta consider that we don't know what the OP's resume's look like. If they have the right kind of experience, they can work anywhere, in any economy. I have several years as a broadcast DJ, and I can tell you from long experience that I can pick up a job just about anywhere if I really need it. Perhaps their experience will allow them the same kind of freedom.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 I haven't gone back to the OP. Too lazy. Maybe too disinterested. I dunno. But the impression I got from the post was the whole purpose of the move was to get closer to WDW. That to me reeked of dumb ... and selfish ... and not good for a family. If there are other reasons ... if they have been to WDW ... if they have spent time in Central FLA beyond the pixie dusted archways ... if they can take care of their children at a similar level of lifestyle ... if they are planning on working and not living in theme parks ... if all of the above is indeed true and then some ... then, I'd say they should still think it thru very carefully and if they make the move, I wish them the best. But if that's not the case, I would stand on my first opinion. One thing the internet Disney community has taught me is there are largely two kinds of fans ... one group just loves The Mouse and his parks, but it doesn't guide their lives beyond some vacation choices ... and the other group is largely looking to find something in Disney that they can't find in reality ... they are largely a sad group of socially awkward misfits with very strange worldviews and an almost universal (no pun intended) inability to fit in (or even desire to) in the real world. So my first thought is always WHY would anyone want this? What are they running away from? Or what do they think they are running to? Maybe it isn't fair ... but when I don't want people to make leaps about me, I keep my personal stuff off places like this ... I was just hard on some fanboi on another MAGICal site because he boasted about spending 28 days since 12/1 at WDW. Can't help it. When I hear something like that my first response is WTF is wrong with you? Do you have a life? Are you afraid to? So ... to bring things back to this thread, when people put stuff out there, I believe it's fair game. I'm in the throes of making a major life decision myself ... but I won't be telling folks about it here. Won't place it out for anyone to comment on. I'll leave that for family and friends (and yeah, I happily have a few real friends here in the LP). Just some thoughts ... whether anyone likes them or not!
Originally Posted By leobloom >>I was just hard on some fanboi on another MAGICal site because he boasted about spending 28 days since 12/1 at WDW. Can't help it. When I hear something like that my first response is WTF is wrong with you? Do you have a life? Are you afraid to?>> But my question is, Did that fanboy get some pictures to add to his collection of WDW restrooms? If so, he should upload them ASAP because I need my daily Disney toilet shot. The 2-disc special edition of WDW Restrooms with director's commentary isn't cutting it for me anymore
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 <<But my question is, Did that fanboy get some pictures to add to his collection of WDW restrooms?>> Sadly, no. Maybe I should ask him ... you'd think in 28 days he'd have plenty of time. <<If so, he should upload them ASAP because I need my daily Disney toilet shot. The 2-disc special edition of WDW Restrooms with director's commentary isn't cutting it for me anymore >> Never fear, I have heard rumors that a new special ed will come out and replace that and have special footage of the WorldShowplace restrooms AND both RC and DI as well. Don't worry, as it will be shilled on every Disney fan site on the web!
Originally Posted By amazedncal2 <<<believes this decision started brewing at the Big Meet. DonnyAZ found out that DH and I are APers who live further away from DLR than they do. He now wants to make his commute even further, just because It was nice meeting you guys and I wish you the best
Originally Posted By MPierce >> But my question is, Did that fanboy get some pictures to add to his collection of WDW restrooms? If so, he should upload them ASAP because I need my daily Disney toilet shot. The 2-disc special edition of WDW Restrooms with director's commentary isn't cutting it for me anymore << Might I suggest Trash Cans of Walt Disney World. It's a relaxing change of pace from the Restrooms DVD. It's also available on Blu-ray.
