Originally Posted By Chris in Atlanta >>>Maybe cover him in honey and let loose some ants? Ooh, actually that sounds pretty hot, now that I think about it.<<< ROFL ROFL ROFL Well... (speechless)
Originally Posted By Mr X ***For the record, and by the way, any Conservatives that want to claim Fox News isn't biased, well as a Conservative, I say that's malarkey. Same for CNN. Same for MSNBC.*** Yup. And it's downright silly that others claim otherwise (on all sides). Not to mention all the other news organizations out there (infotainment all, imho). But for some right winger to chime in and claim that FOX is somehow "better"? Only a tool would say that.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Maybe cover him in honey and let loose some ants?*** <a href="http://edition.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/04/16/us.torture.documents/index.html" target="_blank">http://edition.cnn.com/2009/PO...dex.html</a> ...The memo authorized keeping Zubaydah in a dark, confined space small enough to restrict the individual's movement for no more than two hours at a time. In addition, putting a harmless insect into the box with Zubaydah, who "appears to have a fear of insects," and telling him it is a stinging insect would be allowed, as long as Zubaydah was informed the insect's sting would not be fatal or cause severe pain. "If, however, you were to place the insect in the box without informing him that you are doing so ... you should not affirmatively lead him to believe that any insect is present which has a sting that could produce severe pain or suffering or even cause his death," the memo said.
Originally Posted By Mr X Whatever "rises to the level" melts your butter, I suppose. If YOU were put in a box with bees, and told that the bees wouldn't kill you but *might* sting you...would YOU consider that torture? Food for thought.
Originally Posted By ecdc >>I don't think the McNeil-Lehrer News Hour could be termed as "biased"...<< But many conservatives DO think it's biased. Like we've said before, if you stand on top of the north pole, everything is south. When you're THAT conservative, everything is left. Anything that doesn't espouse conservative beliefs is "liberal" these days. That's why we constantly hear about the "MSM" or the "liberal media."
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>Like we've said before, if you stand on top of the north pole, everything is south.<< Not to mention more fertile and warmer.
Originally Posted By DAR <<You're thinking of National Public Radio. No relation. They do tend to lean left.>> And dangerous to listen to while driving, really boring stuff.
Originally Posted By gurgitoy2 ">>I don't think the McNeil-Lehrer News Hour could be termed as "biased"...<< But many conservatives DO think it's biased. Like we've said before, if you stand on top of the north pole, everything is south. When you're THAT conservative, everything is left. Anything that doesn't espouse conservative beliefs is "liberal" these days. That's why we constantly hear about the "MSM" or the "liberal media." " You know, that's really true. I like the NewsHour because they tend to present both sides of an arguement. I find it not that biased at all, and generally enjoy hearing both (sane) sides of the argument. I like the banter between Shields & Brooks, and I love when Gwen Ifil fills in. I also like Washington Week. They tend to not sensationalize thing. However, I can see how somebody who is extremely conservative would think they are biased, only because they may not agree with everything they say. So, yeah, anything not agreeing with the extremist viewpoint is labled as biased or "MSM"...
Originally Posted By mele When I first started posting on LP, back in 2004, SPP and Kar2oonMan were fairly conservative. (And they're not the only ones who have changed their tune over the past few years.) It's the direction of our country that has made them sound more liberal, but it's simply not true to say that all of the conservatives have left because liberals are so mean to them. Doug needs to admit that a lot of the responsibility falls on the last administration for chasing away a lot of conservatives, not people on this forum. Besides, it's this way all over the country, not just this forum.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan Did I abandon the GOP or did the GOP abandon me? If the future direction of the party is tea parties, pining for Palin, and getting even more far right in their social policy, they can have it.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>>>Like we've said before, if you stand on top of the north pole, everything is south.<< Not to mention more fertile and warmer.<< And dryer. Much, much dryer.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <I find it not that biased at all, and generally enjoy hearing both (sane) sides of the argument.> I grew up in a Republican home watching the News Hour on PBS. I agree it's one of the least biased news shows out there, but it does lean slightly left. It's not surprising that many liberals don't see it. After all, when you're way liberal, everything is right.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Did I abandon the GOP or did the GOP abandon me?> I don't see where the GOP has moved to the right. Their policies seem about the same now as they were in the 80's when I first signed up. Sure, we've had some poor representatives over the years, and some who have taken things to far or said some stupid things, but I don't see where the Democrats have been any better, and I still believe in the principals of the GOP, smaller government, more individual freedom and responsibility, free markets, a strong defense, and a respect for religion and tradition. I truly believe that's the best recipe to bring the greatest good to everyone.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>I still believe in the principals of the GOP, smaller government, more individual freedom and responsibility, free markets, a strong defense, and a respect for religion and tradition.<< Talk about a political party abandoning its principles ... WOW.
Originally Posted By mawnck >>Oh? How so mawnck?<< Smaller government ... but only in terms of taxes collected. Attempts to actually SAVE money and improve government efficiency are opposed, especially when Obama or another Dem proposes them. More individual freedom ... except when it goes against fundamentalist Christian teachings. and responsibility ... unless you're rich. Then you can live your entire life consequences-free. free markets ... but not for Mexicans. a strong defense ... none available because the military's resources were stretched to the breaking point by the Iraq war. And meanwhile the VA hospitals were disintegrating and medical care was being denied. It took a socialist Muslim to live up to the GOP ideal on this one. and respect for religion and tradition ... as long as it's Christian or Jewish, and not even then if they're a buncha liberals like those evil Black churches that support ACORN. The ONLY principals the GOP seem to have now is "recklessly cut taxes, and oppose everything Obama does, beginning with, and including, his getting out of bed each morning." Other principles they have recently abandoned include fiscal responsibility, good faith dealings (see: wringing concessions from Obama and then voting no anyway), independent thought, preserving and protecting the Constitution, and ... not lying to our faces. They are so laser-focused on getting back in power BY ANY MEANS NECESSARY that they have become parodies of themselves, and are proving to be absolutely worthless at a time when some of Douglas's GOP principles might come in particularly useful. They really are pond scum. And if it weren't for the noise machine, I think their supporters would've recognized their hypocrisy and replaced them with decent people worthy of a leadership role by now.
