Originally Posted By woody >>So, i mean in this case this fellow isn't insulting jesus and giving to his church. I'm sure he is also giving to his church, but the point is he is giving his 3 billion back to society, to the customers who gave him his money for services rendered.<< I wonder why Liberals don't give money directly back to the government. They worship government programs.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd <<<Millions are already dead from abortions, a liberal dearly held issue.>>> So, you are against abortion. So, you do not care that people are coming to our country illegally, and having 12 children. Or do you think illegals should be neutered? <<<And they want to spread euthanasia.>>> The problem is the republicans want everyone kept alive in our hospitals, because it generates huge profits for the medical companies. But republicans are incredibly selfish, and self destructive. They also don't want the insurance companies to have to pay for it. Instead they want the customer to suffer the emotional stress in the hospital, and have to pay $2,000 a day to keep a vegetable alive, while the republicans go out to dinner and party, and never think about you again. <<<Why not divert all money from the poor to Global Warming? That'll fix things for good.>>> That is exactly what these known traitors, who have taken over the white house, are doing. They give tax breaks if you buy a polluting suv, and they stop ecological controls. All republicans are liars. All republicans are traitors to the united states of america.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd <<<I wonder why Liberals don't give money directly back to the government. They worship government programs.>>> Democrats pay taxes, republicans do not. Republicans steal from the treasury, the taxes that the democrats pay.
Originally Posted By woody >>So, you are against abortion. So, you do not care that people are coming to our country illegally, and having 12 children. Or do you think illegals should be neutered?<< People should not be coming into the U.S. The illegals and their offspring should be shipped back to their home country. Whether they should be neutered is their own decision. Do it at their home country of origin with their wonderful healthcare system.
Originally Posted By DlandJB People should not be coming into the U.S. The illegals and their offspring should be shipped back to their home country. >>>>>>> If their children are born here, by the constitution they are American citizens and are entitled to the rights of American citizens. We are a nation of immigrants. The reason people come here has never changed, only the laws have changed. Seeing what so many of them are fleeing, I don't blame them for wanting something better. And while we need to have better control over our borders, we also need to have compassion for why they want to be here.
Originally Posted By DlandJB If their children are born here, by the constitution they are American citizens and are entitled to the rights of American citizens. By "They" I mean the children.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>We are a nation of immigrants. << So when do when turn on the "No Vacancy" sign? When our population hits 400 million? 500 million? 1 billion?
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>By "They" I mean the children. << And giving them automatic citizenship is a very bad idea, IMO.
Originally Posted By DlandJB ^^ Well it is in the Constitution, so if you want to change it, you have the constitutional right to try. As to the size of the U.S. population -- there seems to be plenty of room here. Is overcrowding really an immediate concern?
Originally Posted By woody >>If their children are born here, by the constitution they are American citizens and are entitled to the rights of American citizens. << But not their parents. I welcome their return when they turn 18.
Originally Posted By DlandJB I'm sure you do. And by 18 they will have been raised in another culture with the memory that this country gave their parents the boot. I'm sure you will welcome them back, chip on their shoulders and all.
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>As to the size of the U.S. population -- there seems to be plenty of room here. Is overcrowding really an immediate concern?<< I keep hearing how there already isn't enough freshwater to go around in the Southwestern US. We are being told in Colorado that we are running out of fresh water (Denver gets 25% of it water from acquifers that will be dry by 2020). The last thing we need are millions of newcomers to compete with over water. I also keep hearing how we produce too much green house gas. Adding hundreds of millions of motorists isn't going help, is it? And more coal fired power plants to provide electricity to those millions of new homes won't help either. Its also my understanding that traffic jams are the norm in every major metro area in the country, and that we can't afford to build new freeways fast enough. This isn't the 1800's, with Sooners lined up at the state line ready to stake a claim at the untamed wilderness. So yes, I think that we getting kind of full. Sure there is lost of empty space in the west, but it is mostly arid and we have very little water to go around.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd <<<I keep hearing how there already isn't enough freshwater to go around in the Southwestern US. We are being told in Colorado that we are running out of fresh water (Denver gets 25% of it water from acquifers that will be dry by 2020). The last thing we need are millions of newcomers to compete with over water.>>> Move to New Orleans. Lot's of fresh water there i hear. The houses might be up by then too. Otherwise learn to float on your back.
Originally Posted By YourPalEd <<<Sure there is lost of empty space in the west, but it is mostly arid and we have very little water to go around.>>> A great place for the iraqi immigrants to move to, when they escape the new iraqi government in a year from now.
Originally Posted By DlandJB we have very little water to go around.>> That is a problem everywhere, isn't it? A huge problem. Look at how little potable water exists in the world right now. But the old cliche "necessity is the mother of invention" holds true. We will find the water we need if we really want to...and when we really have to. Look at the pollution levels of the 1960s - when things reached truly unacceptable levels, we found solutions. You can't set fire to the Cuyahoga River anymore. We can do the same for our water supply.
Originally Posted By jonvn "Millions are already dead from abortions" Well, that certainly makes no sense as a reply.
Originally Posted By jonvn "So when do when turn on the "No Vacancy" sign?" I'd say if you were a Native American, the time to do that would have been around 1620.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Well it is in the Constitution, so if you want to change it, you have the constitutional right to try.> According to the person who wrote the amendment, it's not.
Originally Posted By DlandJB According to the person who wrote the amendment, it's not.>>> I'm sorry -- you don't consider the 14th amendments to be part of the constitution?
