Originally Posted By EdisYoda Fiirst, I think the TSA officer was totally off base here. Second, I don't know that the fuss is over what she's wearing. When I was in High School in Salt Lake City Utah (1976-78), our cheerleader uniforms were more risque then this and they were tame. And when you add in the precision dance team, they were downright jaw dropping. This in a school that was over 90% mormon population.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "Second, I don't know that the fuss is over what she's wearing. When I was in High School in Salt Lake City Utah (1976-78), our cheerleader uniforms were more risque then this and they were tame." Yeah. There's barely any belly showing and you really have to look hard to see cleavage. Anyone who finds this provocative must avoid any public place where teenage girls are for fear of getting the vapors.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "Yeah. There's barely any belly showing and you really have to look hard to see cleavage. Anyone who finds this provocative must avoid any public place where teenage girls are for fear of getting the vapors." I have to ask. You're relatively new to World Events. No one here has made any direct personal attack on you to my knowledge, especially me, yet you feel compelled to make one that was admined, and now you're trying to make a thinly veiled one. Just what is your freaking problem??
Originally Posted By mawnck Y'know, this story doesn't really ring true. How did the agent know she was 15? Why would they say that to this particular girl in this particular outfit, rather than the couple thousand even trampier-dressed 15 year olds they see on a typical LAX day? And ... her dad, who's raising the stink, owns websites and magazines, and doesn't seem shy about having his daughters all over them. And he wasn't there when it happened. Why are we always so quick to accept one side of a story? I dunno guys, I think you may be barking up the wrong sprig here. I don't think this is really a tree.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "Just what is your freaking problem??" I found it bizarre that anyone would think she is dressed inappropriately. I had to go back and look a second time to find the bare midriff and cleavage. And even now, I have a hard time seeing actual cleavage (thanks for making me closely examine a 15-year-old's cleavage....I feel like George Costanza). If that what jumps out at you in that picture, you're trying way too hard. I got adminned? Does that make me one of the cool kids now?
Originally Posted By andyll Add me to the list of those that fail to see anything wrong with how she is dressed. And I am amused by the posts from those that claim women don't react to great looking guys. I just spent 3 days on the beach and there were plenty of women... old and young... keeping an eye on the cut surfer dudes.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder "I found it bizarre that anyone would think she is dressed inappropriately. I had to go back and look a second time to find the bare midriff and cleavage. And even now, I have a hard time seeing actual cleavage (thanks for making me closely examine a 15-year-old's cleavage....I feel like George Costanza). If that what jumps out at you in that picture, you're trying way too hard. I got adminned? Does that make me one of the cool kids now?" The human mind is a fascinating thing. It's one thing to disagree over this picture, but it's quite another to take it further when one person finds the young girl in the picture dressed inappropriately and then have someone say yeah, well, she must appeal to you then and you're the one with problems. The leap in logic makes absolutely no sense. What makes it all the more strange is after the comment is deleted from the boards (and yep, I freely admit I asked for it to be deleted, it was a direct, gratuitous, personal slam on me), the person then persists with that viewpoint, not showing any signs of giving thought to the idea that maybe what they wrote was out of line. Yookeroo, as I pointed out earlier, I barely know who you are, and after this, you're nobody anyway. But what you've continued to do is a unsolicited personal attack. Want to say my views are prudish? Fine. Given today's sad standards, they probably are. But you cross a line when you say I must find this young girl appealing. It's not funny, it's reprehensible, and to use your own words, it says much more about you than my views do about me. Knock it off, knock it off now.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "But you cross a line when you say I must find this young girl appealing." I never said any such thing. Not that there's anything wrong with finding her appealing, the girl is quite attractive. That you're so offended by the idea of finding her attractive certainly says something about you. I wasn't implying that you're some sort of perv, I'm implying that you're so out of touch and uncomfortable with sexuality that a normally dressed teenage girl sets off alarms. "and yep, I freely admit I asked for it to be deleted," Teach oc_dean your trick. He's been trying and trying...
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <That you're so offended by the idea of finding her attractive certainly says something about you. I wasn't implying that you're some sort of perv, I'm implying that you're so out of touch and uncomfortable with sexuality that a normally dressed teenage girl sets off alarms.> There you go again. You know all this about a guy you've never met because of a couple of message board posts? I like you, Yookeroo, but you're making a huge leap here. Isn't it enough to just disagree and say "I didn't find her dress out of line," without going on to attempt a bad Psych 101 job based on almost nothing from someone you've never even met?
Originally Posted By Bob Benchley "Yookeroo, as I pointed out earlier, I barely know who you are, and after this, you're nobody anyway. But what you've continued to do is a unsolicited personal attack. Want to say my views are prudish? Fine. Given today's sad standards, they probably are. But you cross a line when you say I must find this young girl appealing. It's not funny, it's reprehensible, and to use your own words, it says much more about you than my views do about me. Knock it off, knock it off now." I know you don't want me on here saying this, but you HAVE mellowed. This guy is a nothing, and now he lies about what he said. What happened to the SPP that would have jumped all over this guy?
Originally Posted By DyGDisney >>>"However, in my opinion, as a 15 year old, what she's wearing is wildly inappropriate." You can't be serious. Is she revealing too much ankle?<<< I'm with you Yookeroo. I have a 15 year old daughter and I am on the prudish side. While I wouldn't let my daughter wear something that shows her belly, there isn't really that much belly showing. Is the big deal the fact that her shirt is nude color? Her clothing is on the grungy side, but not really inappropriate. What about 15 year olds in bikinis? My daughter wears a tankini top and board shorts, but she has been to many pool parties where all of the girls wear bikinis and they ask why she isn't. She is modest. She doesn't wear booty shorts or show her stomach -- I won't allow it. Really, this outfit doesn't seem that bad compared to a lot of what I've seen. The TSA worker was clearly out of line.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney And by the way, why is it ok for a TSA agent to look at 15 year old girls in full-body scanners, but not for this girl to show an inch of her stomach?
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder ". That you're so offended by the idea of finding her attractive certainly says something about you. I wasn't implying that you're some sort of perv, I'm implying that you're so out of touch and uncomfortable with sexuality that a normally dressed teenage girl sets off alarms." As Dabob has pointed out, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Just.WTF.is.your.problem? Apparently you're that immature and enough of an ass to persist on making these kinds of comments.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "and now he lies about what he said." Cite? "I like you, Yookeroo, but you're making a huge leap here. Isn't it enough to just disagree and say 'I didn't find her dress out of line,' without going on to attempt a bad Psych 101 job based on almost nothing from someone you've never even met?" Where's the fun in that? But seriously, maybe he doesn't have issues and I'll retract that and apologize for it. But "wildly inappropriate" is an absurd overreaction. That outfit wouldn't even have been inappropriate 3 or 4 decades ago, so I have to stand by "out of touch". I'll even throw in a "wildly"...wildly out of touch. "Apparently you're that immature and enough of an ass" *gasp* Administrator!!!! Kidding, I don't want that adminned.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <But seriously, maybe he doesn't have issues and I'll retract that and apologize for it.> Very good. <But "wildly inappropriate" is an absurd overreaction.> It's an opinion. Other people also didn't like the look. Me, I see teen girls with more revealing outfits every day (I live 2 blocks from a high school), so I didn't think much of it. So I'm closer to your opinion than SPP's on the outfit - but that doesn't mean I have to call it absurd.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer From a purely biological perspective, men are looking for mates who are good, healthy breeding stock. Physical fitness, youth, clear skin, bright eyes and white teeth are all markers for health. Women look for mates who will be able to protect them and their offspring and who will be able to provide them with the best chance of survival. Wealth, power, physical fitness and health all indicate this. Women aren't as driven by physical appearance because it is secondary to other characteristics that we've evolved to see as important. It's why popular culture is filled with love stories where a younger woman is swept off her feet by an older, wealthier man. That relationship is hardwired in to us. But it definitely isn't the place for a person who gropes people for a living to comment on how other people dress.
