Originally Posted By berol Mount Prometheus is like the castle of DisneySea. It makes more sense for it to be a bigger deal.
Originally Posted By barboy /// They are also representing different geology, which makes it kind of hard to compare/// Oh but I beg to differ(I said that Val Kilmer/Doc. Holliday style). There is a general compelling reason to compare the rockwork: Both showcase Disney's most grand and detailed rock setting to date. As ambitious as Everest was it most definitely is not of Prometheus or Cadillac caliber. I will soon see Grizzly Gulch in Hong Kong when it opens since it is so close to me because those pictures do look amazing. Disney has come a long way in honing their rockwork since the Thunder and Splash days. but both get the job done.
Originally Posted By danyoung >The Cars-like decals they added to the monorail really have to go. They are tacky and ugly.< I could not agree with you more on this. And I like the monorail wraps, including the current Avengers one in WDW. But those bug eyes on the DL monorails turn them into big worm looking cartoons. Not good art at all!
Originally Posted By Kidz-n-k9s >The Cars-like decals they added to the monorail really have to go. They are tacky and ugly.< I'm not offended by the wraps, but the voice on the orange one is TERRIBLE! I wanted to jump out the window.
Originally Posted By CDF2 Faux rockwork is even now being used by CalTrans in California to spruce up a number of the previoiusly flat concrete walls abutting the freeways there. Isn't Mount Prometheus supposed to pay homage to the the Vulcania mattes done by Peter Ellenshaw for 20,000 Leagues under the Sea? That type of volcanic sea mountain seems like a far cry from the stratified sandstone cliffs of a southwestern mountain range as Cars Monument Valley is supposed to be.
Originally Posted By 9oldmen >>Faux rockwork is even now being used by CalTrans in California to spruce up a number of the previoiusly flat concrete walls abutting the freeways there.<< Meanwhile...a REAL BIG ROCK just arrived at LACMA after making a long trip along freeways! Hah! Too soon? Off topic? Too topical? ..sorry...
Originally Posted By Dabob2 " That type of volcanic sea mountain seems like a far cry from the stratified sandstone cliffs of a southwestern mountain range as Cars Monument Valley is supposed to be. " Yes they're very different. The point is that each is exceptionally well done.
Originally Posted By CDF2 Comment from Dr. H: "Please don't get mad at me, but what exactly is the measure for "failure"? All the media reports I've read say that the park "failed" because DCA only gets less than half the number of visitors as DL, yet the fact is DCA was never intended to get that many people in the first place. I'm curious to know what Disney's financial and attendance goals are for DCA going forward." With the most recent addition of Carsland with a compelling draw, you would have to think that attendance will be going up and staying up for some time at DCA. Is the goal to get equal attendance with DL? Probably not. But as a viable 2nd gate park that will help to generate a desire for hotel guests to stay an extra day and spend more money on the Disney properties in DLR, you would have to think that things are looking pretty good for the Disney folks.
Originally Posted By phruby It's interesting that now Disneyland has about half the attendance figures that they did last year. They actually have a manageable summer. Those people seem to have moved over to DCA. Therefore the net combined attendance total is the same as last year. Attendance is flat resort wide. Does that mean that DCA failed at bringing in bigger attendance totals resort wide? I guess it didn't help to raise prices that high.
Originally Posted By phruby >>Meanwhile...a REAL BIG ROCK just arrived at LACMA after making a long trip along freeways! The big rock is not on trail here. It's a very nice rock. You can even walk underneath it.
Originally Posted By believe >>>>It's interesting that now Disneyland has about half the attendance figures that they did last year. They actually have a manageable summer. Those people seem to have moved over to DCA. Therefore the net combined attendance total is the same as last year. Attendance is flat resort wide.<<<< 1. less crowded = happier guests 2. increased ticket prices and more full priced tickets and more out of town big spending guests = bigger profits! So yes, they might not be getting packed parks, but they are getting much more profits and happier, good word of mouth, guests, who in turn, will recommend to their friends and family to come.
Originally Posted By cheesybaby 2 things: 1. I am skeptical about the claim that attendance is flat resort-wide. Who said this? Some guy on the internet? What is their source? 2. If it is true, that could be disastrous. They did not spend $1.2 billion to redistribute the existing crowds. There is no justifyable business case for that. Unless per capita spending is way up, this is very bad if true. Yes,, they did just crank up ticket prices, but with such a large percentage of AP holders, it will take a full year for every AP holder to renew to reflect the increased AP revenue.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "1. I am skeptical about the claim that attendance is flat resort-wide. Who said this? Some guy on the internet? What is their source?" Here's a shot of the Disneyland wait board mid-day on a Friday in early July: <a href="http://datelinedisneyland.smugmug.com/DisneylandResort/2012/07-02-12-Edited-Update-Photos/i-Hw2DgtN/1/X2/IMG1938-X2.jpg" target="_blank">http://datelinedisneyland.smug...8-X2.jpg</a> While measuring wait times may not be the most scientific method of determining attendance, I think that photo says a lot about just how busy the place is this summer. In addition, several people have said that from their observation Disneyland has been less busy than the past few summers.
Originally Posted By cheesybaby ^^ Obviously DL is less busy now than normal. I have been in the park and have seen that first-hand. DL is not as busy as normal. But that is very different from saying "attendance is flat park-wide". Someone could take a picture of the RSR stand-by wait time and say it "proves" that the resort is 10x more crowded than normal. I am not claiming any knowledge of how busy the park is - I am saying that like me, no one can claim any knowledge. Claiming the combined park attendance is the same as last year - that is a very specific claim. I am merely saying that no average person on a discussion board can legitimately make such a specific claim. Without a source, I am very skeptical of any attendance claim which is this specific.
Originally Posted By danyoung Good for you, cheesybaby. I was just there for a long weekend, and while DL was indeed not as madly packed as it is on summer days, it was still doing a brisk business. And with DCA finally putting up the numbers that they wanted to see since 2001, I'd say the overall picture was extremely bright for TDA.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "DL is not as busy as normal. But that is very different from saying "attendance is flat park-wide". Someone could take a picture of the RSR stand-by wait time and say it "proves" that the resort is 10x more crowded than normal." This very comment could imply that overall attendance at DLR could be flat with attendance flip flopped between the two parks this year versus last year. Of course it's all speculation, and in the end what does it matter?
Originally Posted By berol Being flat on a peak is a positive result. Assuming it's true, the investment could have prevented or lightened a drop for this year and some years in the future.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Right, and we can assume that even if attendance is flat guest spending has increased since ticket prices were recently raised.
