Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Well if that's the case then EPCOT doesn't have any dark rides either.
Originally Posted By oc_dean If a ride is completely contained within a showbuilding (no outdoor section at all) ... no sunlight getting inside .. completely reliant on lighting effects to illuminate it ... that makes it a dark ride.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Lets get one thing straight - There's "thinking outside the box" .. and there's "Building on the Cheap"! I hardly think a series of off the shelf carnival rides, an inundation of film-based attractions, and Superstar Limo equate - Thinking outside box.>> I never rode any of the "carnival rides" except for the Orange Stinger and the Sun Wheel of Death, both of which I really enjoyed. I thought that Soarin', the Mondavi Vineyard, Screamin', Grizzly River Run, California Dreams and the Animation Building were all extremely well done. I even enjoyed the Mission Tortilla and Boudin Bakery Tours for the "old Epcot" feel they had. I even enjoyed the fact that Muppets and Tough to be a Bug were there... since I gave up my usual annual visit to WDW to go to Disneyland, it was nice feeling that between DL and DCA I was still able to experience many of my favorite attractions from WDW's parks. I especially appreciated that I seemed to be in a park not primarily geared to 5-12 year old children. It felt like an "adult park" and I found that to be quite refreshing.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<If a ride is completely contained within a showbuilding (no outdoor section at all) ... no sunlight getting inside .. completely reliant on lighting effects to illuminate it ... that makes it a dark ride.>> Space Mountain and Rock and Roller Coaster are DARK RIDES???
Originally Posted By oc_dean ^^^ I know you are coming from the classic known definition of a "Dark Ride." As 'Dark Rides' go even before Walt's new park in 1955 .. when some carnivals had them. As SoCal had the Long Beach Pike .. and had at least one, for starters. With these "Dark Rides" being short, using black lighting, and flat sets using fluorescent paints. So .. as far as the classic known definition goes ... PotC, HM, Space Mountain, Indiana Jones don't fit that bill. HOWEVER ... using the term 'dark ride' more in a general, broader sense .... All these rides do involve working entirely in a building devoid of any sunlight filtering in, and require artificial lighting to see anything.
Originally Posted By doombuggy what is a dark ride? <a href="http://www.dafe.org/articles/miscellaneous/whatIsADarkride.html" target="_blank">http://www.dafe.org/articles/m...ide.html</a>
Originally Posted By RoadTrip ^^^ Yup... I'm OLD. I remember dark rides from 55 years ago... primarily spook houses and such. Of course I wouldn't consider Haunted Mansion a dark ride either. To me a dark ride is a tracked vehicle going through a series of largely static scenes.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Space Mountain and Rock and Roller Coaster are DARK RIDES???" Actually if you think about it they are. There's no narrative, but most non-Disney dark rides don't have a story line either. The Paris version of Space Mountain even has black lit props throughout the ride.
Originally Posted By tashajilek "<<And it's a terrible park. What's your point?>> Different strokes for different folks... I think it is WDW's second best park following Epcot." I love Dak, it's a beautiful park and i was suprised how much i liked it with little attractions. I also agree Epcot is WDW'S best and they have few attractions too. I guess i dont care much for the other 2 parks because the Westcoast does those 2 parks much better. I really doubt that DCA will fail again. I think in the last few years it wouldnt even fit under the failure category. With the additions of TSMM, WOC and all the night time parties added i think we all have noticed how much busier DCA has become. Now with BVS and CL how could they go wrong?
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "yet the fact is DCA was never intended to get that many people in the first place" Darkbeer debunked all this during the DCA wars of yesteryear. He cited newspaper articles and media reports that implied Disney felt that Disneyland was going to be the overflow area for DCA. <a href="http://mb.laughingplace.com/MsgBoard-T-54262-P-1.asp" target="_blank">http://mb.laughingplace.com/Ms...-P-1.asp</a> It's all been said before.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones I think that DCA 2.0 is going to be wildly more successful than DCA 1.0 was, but let's not rewrite history here.
Originally Posted By SpokkerJones "I agree, but I do think that there are a lot of Southern Californians who have a fanatical emotional attachment to Disneyland and because of it there's nothing Disney can do that will make them like DCA more than the original park." As one of those fanatics with an emotional attachment to Disneyland, there is a second gate I love more than Disneyland. You can guess which one it is.
Originally Posted By believe <<<<The horrible open staircase on the side of the Hyperion, plus the uncovered 'bullpen' that you had to stand in to wait for the show to start -- probably one of the worst areas in any Disney theme park.>>>> They can do a quick temporary fix so easily and cheaply, but they won't even do that. Use shade cloth like they do on the fences around the park to coverup/hid the stairs. Or have the vinyl covering that they used on main street when remodeling. Or the fake forest wrap they use to have on the indy building.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<Darkbeer debunked all this during the DCA wars of yesteryear. He cited newspaper articles and media reports that implied Disney felt that Disneyland was going to be the overflow area for DCA.>> For the opening year, yes. I don't think ANYONE thought it would be more popular than Disneyland Park over the long term.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "Beyond that, the biggest cash cow for DCA will more than likely be typical resort priced booze." No, the biggest cash cow will be those tire hats. "Animal Kingdom has no dark rides... they are not ESSENTIAL to a Disney Park. That is why DCA 1.0 was so poorly received... the locals were looking for DL Junior. Think OUTSIDE the box!" Fair enough. How about the park still needs a few C-ticket attractions with the charm of the dark rides? "I think it is WDW's second best park following Epcot." I agree. I love Animal Kingdom.
Originally Posted By oc_dean >>SpokkerJones As one of those fanatics with an emotional attachment to Disneyland, there is a second gate I love more than Disneyland. You can guess which one it is. << Let me take a guess - DisneySea?
Originally Posted By mawnck I was going to guess the Euclid Avenue Wal Mart. Then I thought, "Naaaaaaaah."
Originally Posted By crapshoot <<No, the biggest cash cow will be those tire hats.>> Yes, if they can be filled with beer.
Originally Posted By believe Just a thought. They are grand reopening today, Jun 15, because it's a non-blockout day for APs. They want to guarantee the park is packed to show that it's successful.
