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Originally Posted By dshyates "I have never ever seen anyone racially divide America like President Obama has..." I agree that Obama has been a shockingly racially divisive public figure. Not by anything that he has actually done, just that the GOP base isn't mature enough to actually handle a black leader.
Originally Posted By dshyates I do find it interesting that William thinks that it is Obama that has been the most racially divisive character when it's his team that has been screaming KENYAN since the day Obama was elected. All I can say is that the view from Limbaugh's rectum must be pretty limited.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I agree that Obama has been a shockingly racially divisive public figure. Not by anything that he has actually done, just that the GOP base isn't mature enough to actually handle a black leader.<< Precisely. Watching some of them come unglued over the past 4 years has been amusing yet depressing. Many years from now, it's going to be even more shameful to look back at the birther nonsense, "terrorist fist jabs" , "Barack the Magic Negro" and the countless other examples of racism regarding this president. The GOP can't seem to understand why it has such trouble attracting blacks and Latinos, and yet, look at what William wrote and the stuff GOP pundits and candidates say every day. There's your answer.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan If Romney is elected, I have no idea what he will do, because neither does he. Extreme conservative? Or compassionate moderate? He's really a rather blank slate in some ways (though he definitely will tilt the table towards widening the gap between the haves and have nots.) If Romney has core principles, he's yet to make a believable case for what they might be. He says he wants to repeal Obamacare and replace it with... something. I am worried how he will perform on the international stage -- he managed to offend England, for pity's sake. Where do you go from there?
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<All I can say is that the view from Limbaugh's rectum must be pretty limited.>> That reminds me. I have to reschedule my cancelled colonoscopy.
Originally Posted By Tikiduck Romney has also managed to offend Russia. Something about his mouthing off to increase our military presence convinced Putin to hold on to some nukes that were on the chopping block. The guy isn't even President and he is screwing things up.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<There's your answer.>> Exactly, 2oony. There are still too many angry old white guys watching Fox News and listening to Rush that the GOP can't ignore, in order to start courting minority voters. Once that Fox News demographic starts dying off at a faster rate, then the GOP will give the minorities more attention. But they're not quite there yet. Those angry old farts still comprise a hefty chunk of the Republican base.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <All I can say is that the view from Limbaugh's rectum must be pretty limited.> LOL! Best line in a while. Kudos, dshyates.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 With the neocons he has advising him, I think it's not definite, but a definite possibility. If Obama's smart, he will bring this up at the next (foreign policy) debate.
Originally Posted By skinnerbox Of course Romney will invade, or at least bomb Iran. That's what his very good buddy, Sheldon Adelson, has been pushing Israel to do for years. Sheldon and Mitt have had a business relationship long before this election. And Adelson has given over $34 million to Mitt's campaign. If anyone still believes Mitt will ignore Adelson's unreasonable demands for more tax cuts to the rich and gearing up for war with Iran, they should read these articles: <a href="http://seattletimes.com/html/politics/2019469138_apusbiggestdonorsrepublicans.html" target="_blank">http://seattletimes.com/html/p...ans.html</a> <a href="http://www.salon.com/2012/08/23/romney_fund_bankrolled_adelson/" target="_blank">http://www.salon.com/2012/08/2...adelson/</a>
Originally Posted By TomSawyer Romney would be a disaster for foreign affairs, and would cause the deaths of thousands of American soldiers. (You know, the ones he didn't think were important enough to mention at his convention.) Russia has already said that they are going to hold a hard line on anti-missle defense in Europe because Romney reminded them that American administrations can change. Iran has said that they are interested in normalizing relations with the US - after the election, and that if they are dealing with Romney it's not going to happen. He said that he wants to send US soldiers in to Syria. He's another supposedly small-government guy who thinks that the US should act like 1st Century Rome.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney Small government meaning cuts in education, healthcare and social programs; while spending more on military. After all, we are the US --- now let's get out there and kick some butt!
Originally Posted By wahooskipper I don't think things have been anywhere close to as bad as people were predicting when Obama went into office. If the true crazies have been after him we haven't been told about it. There have been no attempt on him. His family seems to be being left alone. If Romney wins people can predict doom and gloom but I suspect it will be more of the same. He will be forced to move futher to the middle if he wants to govern and get anything accomplished. If he doesn't move to the middle he will be out in four years as a none too discerning American public begins a cycle of one term Presidents.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 The man has zero foreign policy experience. That's not necessarily a disqualifier, but it does mean that you have to surround yourself with advisers that DO have this experience. But who has he chosen to surround himself with? Who's advising him? The same neocon crowd who gave us Iraq. Who swore up and down that invasion was a "last resort," which was revealed as a lie - they were spoiling for an invasion BEFORE 9/11 (which Iraq didn't have anything to do with anyway); before Bush was inaugurated, even. John Bolton & Co. are the ones advising Romney on foreign policy. And since Romney has zero experience himself, he'd pretty much HAVE to listen to his advisers, to a greater extent than other presidents. These people believe in preemptive wars (how'd that work out for us last time?) and in having a large US footprint all over the world, no matter how much it costs (in terms of lives, or dollars) and no matter how counterproductive it ultimately is for us. The invasion of Iraq remains deeply unpopular among moderates - including the relatively few persuadable voters left - and Obama has a golden opportunity in the third debate to tie Romney to neocon policies, based not only on who he's surrounding himself with, but on Romney's own statements during the primaries and during the 2008 campaign. It's a golden opportunity to put Romney on the defensive, both during the debate, and in its aftermath.
Originally Posted By TomSawyer If Romney wins? John Bolton will either be the Secretary of State or the Secretary of Defense.
Originally Posted By EdisYoda You know Tom... you said something there that triggered a lightbulb. I know why Romney didn't mention the troops. To him, they're tools, not people. Tools don't need recognition. Think about it. What are front line workers to top executives? They're tools. They don't need to be acknowledged. This is why we should NEVER have CEO's as president. We're just tools to an end.
Originally Posted By EighthDwarf <<If Romney wins people can predict doom and gloom but I suspect it will be more of the same. He will be forced to move futher to the middle if he wants to govern and get anything accomplished. If he doesn't move to the middle he will be out in four years as a none too discerning American public begins a cycle of one term Presidents.>> Thank you for one of the more rational comments in this thread. Everyone always likes to throw out the worst-case scenarios (god knows the right-wingers did it 4 years ago) but they are rarely likely to happen.
