Originally Posted By fkurucz Romney has to be the biggest phony ever. He makes McCain, even with his Keating 5 skeletons, look like an honest man by comparison.
Originally Posted By DyGDisney Here's a good one! <a href="http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=romney+running+for+governor+of+massachusetts&view=detail&mid=BE5A131CD0BCEA58777FBE5A131CD0BCEA58777F&first=281" target="_blank">http://www.bing.com/videos/sea...irst=281</a>
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "But remember he had 9/11 to deal with it in his first term and the country went a little bananas after that. It seemed like everyone wanted to go to war." That's because we were being lied to by the Bush administration. We trusted them to tell us the truth and to bring the perpetrators of 9/11 to justice, but of course they didn't and here we are with $1 trillion wasted in Iraq and 4,500 of our troops lost. All for what? If someone wants to characterize the two current candidates as evil, fine, but at least do your country a favor and vote for the lesser evil of the two. Worst case scenarios can and do happen.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt The flipper dolphin sounds in the video are hilarious DyGDisney!
Originally Posted By disneyfreaksk Mixed emotions. The only person I have a strong conviction towards won't run. Colin Powell.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 Mixed emotions. The only person I have a strong conviction towards won't run. Colin Powell.<< He always said he wouldn't run because the burden it would place on his family, especially his wife. Plus President Bush blew it for him when he had him lie to the U.N... Destroyed any credibility he had.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "Or you could vote a third party instead of the lesser of two evils." Maybe doing so makes some people feel better, but it strikes me as wholly selfish and downright cynical. Once again, I think back to the 2000 election when Bush won Florida by a slim margin becoming only the second president in history to win the election without the majority of the popular vote. Suppose Gore had gotten some of those third party votes in Florida and other states; he would have won the election and changed the course of history.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "The only person I have a strong conviction towards won't run. Colin Powell." I'm not Republican, but I'd consider voting for Powell if he ran depending on who the Democratic nominee was.
Originally Posted By DDMAN26 <<but it strikes me as wholly selfish and downright cynical.>> Well every vote can be selfish, you're voting in your best interest.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Not wholly. For example, as a gay man I'll never have an abortion, but I support a woman's right to choose. I see my vote as a way to make the nation better, not to make it better for me.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 Not wholly. For example, as a gay man I'll never have an abortion, but I support a woman's right to choose. I see my vote as a way to make the nation better, not to make it better for me.<< But to an extent you are looking at your own best interest, if a candidate was against gay rights but supported a woman's right to choose, I doubt you would support that candidate.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "But to an extent you are looking at your own best interest...' How is it in my "best interest" to vote for a candidate that is pro-choice? "... if a candidate was against gay rights but supported a woman's right to choose, I doubt you would support that candidate." Well of course, because I believe that equal rights are in the best interest of all citizens, whether they be gay, straight, male, female, transgender, black, white or whatever.
Originally Posted By WilliamK99 You look at your interests first, then at the other issues, you can try to deny it but all Americans look after their own interests followed by others... You wouldn't choose a candidate who is against your most basic values.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt "You wouldn't choose a candidate who is against your most basic values." Well that would be silly, wouldn't it? Like I said, "not wholly".
Originally Posted By fkurucz >>Well every vote can be selfish, you're voting in your best interest.<< Shouldn't we vote for what's best for the country?
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>I see my vote as a way to make the nation better, not to make it better for me.<< Exactly! I try to look first at what's best for the country (or city or state) when I vote. Because ultimately, that's in my own best interest as well. Similarly, rather than always asking am I better off, I ask if the country is better off than 4 years ago. And by every measure, the answer to that is a resounding YES. Think back to the panic of Sept. 2008. Who knew how we'd ever get out of that mess? I don't know where this idea that every vote has to be in my own self interest came from. It gets repeated a lot, but it always sounds a little selfish and myopic to me.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt Kar2oonMan, I think you may have just summed up one of the primary differences between Republican and Democratic voters - or at least the underlying party platforms. Don't forget that Republicans view corporations are "people", and since people vote for what's in their best interest, well...
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>you can try to deny it but all Americans look after their own interests followed by others<< Don't try to do any delicate detail work with the brush you're using.
