Originally Posted By Dabob2 It's there in black and white (ironically enough) for everyone to see. I admitted that the current NO leadership is corrupt, and liberal. But I also pointed out that at different periods, it was conservative, and also corrupt. You couldn't even agree with that. That's not a lie. It's there - your posts and mine - in black and white for everyone to see.
Originally Posted By Mr X Bob, Doug doesn't let facts stand in his way. He would make an INCREDIBLE polititian, considering his ability to stay "on message" no matter what is being asked of him. That's something I can't stand from the polititians (ALL of them, libs, right-wing, communist, you name it), and it makes a conversation with him about as satisfying as watching paint dry.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <I also pointed out that at different periods, it was conservative, and also corrupt. You couldn't even agree with that.> I didn't disagree with it; it's irrelevant to what is happening now. And it's the rest of the post, where you lied about my opinions, that I objected to.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <Doug doesn't let facts stand in his way.> I post more facts than any of you.
Originally Posted By Mr X Are you even a Disney fan, Doug? You never seem to post anywhere on here but WorldEvents, and I've got to wonder why a guy like yourself bothers to come to LAUGHINGPLACE to do it. Surely there are better sites out there for you to offer your "views"...or do you just prefer battling with amateur liberals or something? And no, I don't think you post too many facts at all, but then again you don't really need to on LAUGHINGPLACE...a Disney webpage. >>I didn't disagree with it; it's irrelevant to what is happening now.<< It's completely relevant. Your argument was that N.O. is corrupt thanks to those awful liberals. The counter argument was that N.O. has always been corrupt, even with YOUR guys in power. But by all means, stay on message.
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <You never seem to post anywhere on here but WorldEvents, and I've got to wonder why a guy like yourself bothers to come to LAUGHINGPLACE to do it.> I'm going to ignore the undercurrent of venom in your post, and answer your question honestly. I used to post more on the DCA, future expansion page, but I got tired of being called a Disney apologist when I disagreed that DCA was the WORST PARK EVER! I live 850 miles from Anaheim, and even farther from Florida, and I don't have any inside knowledge, so I can't contribute to the rumours pages. I used to offer my opinion on rumours or new attractions more in the past, but I hardly offer any special insight there. But I still read the threads, and I occasionally post on them, or the trip planning threads and the like. I post on WE mainly because I offer a different viewpoint than most here, however much I'm maligned for it. When I see people or institutions getting trashed for what I believe are unjust reasons, I'm compelled to point out there maybe a different way of looking at things, and there may be some facts that the critics are ignoring or overlooking. Now, about New Orleans. My argument was not that it "is corrupt thanks to those awful liberals", but that because it is corrupt, it tends to elect liberals. Liberals have been in charge down there far, far, longer than conservatives, and I don't see where the situation has improved. That conservatives occasionally got into office, and failed to fix everything at once, doesn't deter from my main point. <But by all means, stay on message.> I'm sure you will.
Originally Posted By Mr X No venom intended Doug, seriously...I really was wondering what your motivation was. You are right about one thing though, DCA is definitely NOT the "worst park ever". Walt Disney Studios Paris and Hong Kong Disneyland suck MUCH more. *I* "stay on message"? Hardly. In fact, many times I've been known to actually listen and appreciate counter-arguments to the point where I change my views mid-thread. And I'm okay with that. Tunnel vision is a poor way to go through life in my opinion. Oh, and by the way my preferred candidate for President right now happens to Mike Huckabee, a REPUBLICAN. Though I really dislike Bush and most of what he's done to my beloved country, and firmly believe that Gore and Kerry would have been much better for America, I am not by any means a die-hard Democrat...I appreciate the contributions of many Republican leaders past and present, just not the current guy. And I don't like the "holier than you" message the Republicans and their bible belt fanbase spew all the time, it just rubs me the wrong way. But please, by all means, think whatever you like about me. You're views are frankly nothing but a joke to me anyway...I believe I could easily write your posts for you, almost word for word at this point. So, keep stayin on message buddy.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <<I also pointed out that at different periods, it was conservative, and also corrupt. You couldn't even agree with that.>> <I didn't disagree with it; it's irrelevant to what is happening now.> I agreed with you about now. However, I pointed out that New Orleans has been corrupt from its inception, and remained so no matter who was in power. The corruption of New Orleans transcends petty partisan politics - it seems a permanent part of the fabric of that city, dating back to the French. Mr. X understood this instantly. <And it's the rest of the post, where you lied about my opinions, that I objected to. > I "lied" about nothing. I asked you to point out an example; you couldn't. Quel suprise, as the French say. And, Mr. X, a lot of people assume my name's Bob, but actually it's Dave (Dabob is an acronym).
Originally Posted By DouglasDubh <I don't like the "holier than you" message the Republicans and their bible belt fanbase spew all the time, it just rubs me the wrong way.> I don't like a lot of things the Democrats spew all the time, but I try not to insult them because of it.
Originally Posted By jonvn "I "lied" about nothing." Of course not. He's now been accused of lying and so he just rebounds it back. He's doing the same thing with obfuscate. It's just a tactic, people keep falling for it, and he's laughing at you for responding to it.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <I'm pointing out the truth.> You know, that attitude would be funny if it weren't so sad, really.
Originally Posted By Lisann22 RT - in the current People mag (I was on a plane today, it was in the seat pocket - LOL) about the principal in the Ninth Ward who re-opened her school and all the politics she had to go through. Very touching. It talks about the community coming back and the good work they are doing. Is it all of the Ninth Ward? No, but it's a positive start.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 Wowee. Lisann, good post. It's similar to what I saw (and reported on another post) of a church group rebuilding houses in the 9th ward one house at a time. They money had to come from the national church because the local congregation had no money, and it's painfully slow, but they're working their butts off and doing what they can, one house at a time.
Originally Posted By Kennesaw Tom <<<And hardly limited to New Orleans.>>> Yes, and Hurricane Katrina was hardly limited to New Orleans too. Several surrounding states were equally devistated some more the city of New Orleans. Yet those citizens were not gleefully looting stores or shooting at rescuers. And though some of the citizns in those communities in surrounding states may be just as impoverished as the citizens of New Orleans, they do not have a murder rate nearly as high. <<Corruption in the government and police force is so entrenched in New Orleans I don’t know that any mayor could ever get rid of it.>> Most of use would have just settled for the Mayor or NO and the Governor of LA just simply following their own disaster plan. Oh course taking Amtrack's offer to evacuate people on two trains or using all those empty buses wouldn't have hurt either. <<Those who according to Darwin should have died. Is this harsh? Sure it is harsh. The people I’m talking about deserve harsh.>> Hold it!!!! I'm a firm believer in Individual Rights, Freedoms and Liberties. Those individuals had the Freedom to remain in the city if they so choose, but buy the same token they take on the responcibility of experiencing the consequences as well. And they certainly got to experience the consequences. My outrage is not with the poor pitiful people of New Orleans as much as it is with the prevailing theme among the Democratic Party and our national media in placing the blame squarely on our President or FEMA. <<They are the people who now depend on the Hispanic immigrants to help rebuild their homes and businesses.>> You must mean the illegal Mexican trespassers. <<Do those who victimize the good people of New Orleans deserver any sympathy? No they do not. No matter what type of circumstances they came from; nothing justifies violence and crime. And as long as we pretend it does, we will never cure the cancer that smothers cities like New Orleans.>> Yes, life on the Democratic Plantation can be so harsh. Some people work for a living and then some people vote for a living. Just keep on handing out those entitlements. When your existance is dependent on the empowerment of your oppression, Liberation is the enemy.
