Originally Posted By Kevin Flynn Well I'm not DAR and I'm not Beau. I don't know these guys (gals?). But at least we got the conversation going again eh? You can't find solutions without discussion. I just thought I would throw you guys something to tear apart. You're welcome.
Originally Posted By Kevin Flynn ""I wouldn't be surprised if this new poster was a previously banned poster who's returned to stir the pot."" Nope. Sorry to disappoint you. I'm not DAR or Beau.
Originally Posted By Kevin Flynn And I've never been banned. How do you get banned? I've don't nothing wrong, I have not called anyone on these boards insulting names. I have only given an opinion that is different from many of yours.
Originally Posted By Mr X The bull**** is really stinking up the place up there in posts 21, 22, and 23. Whoever that guy is ISN'T new, and isn't here for positive reasons. Be careful of bull****, I say.
Originally Posted By Mr X Mods, WHY did you have to admin my honest assessment!? (but at least thanks for keeping my posts up!) Obviously we agree what is bull**** around here, anyway!
Originally Posted By Kevin Flynn Whatever dude. No matter how bad u want me to be DAR or beau, sorry, i'm just not. Not everyone who has a different political view from yours is here for bad reasons. But it's cool. I get it. Dems only in WE. Ok. I'll exit the sandbox.
Originally Posted By Kevin Flynn By Dems I mean party line far left Dems who ha e no interests in debate or discussion. The world was once flat. Now it is round. No one is perfectly right, but many cannot fathom the concept of being wrong. No throwing stones at my back as I exit. That would be bad form of open minded people you know.
Originally Posted By Longhorn12 >Dems only in WE< But you said you were a DEM. Oh snap son. I gotcha.
Originally Posted By Longhorn12 >I voted Obama, ergo...< I voted Republican or Independent for a lot of local people, ergo... I'm a Republican or an Independent?
Originally Posted By wahooskipper One reason why I finally seceeded from the Republican Party is because I was too closely associated with people like you Kevin. DAR was notorious for posting articles but never having any facts or personal opinions for that matter to back them up. Beau actually did defend his position but got pretty mean spirited and personal. If you can defend your position and argue facts then I'd encourage you to stick around Kevin. If not, don't be yet another example of the knuckleheads on the right. (And yes, I believe there are knuckleheads on the left too.)
Originally Posted By skinnerbox <<Whoever that guy is ISN'T new, and isn't here for positive reasons.>> Agreed, X. He sounds like an Ayn Rand fan. Definitely not a Dem.
Originally Posted By Kevin Flynn It's like tackle the man with the ball. Walk into the room with a different opinion and let's all jump him and clothe our actions in cliche phrases that make us feel like our bad behavior is ethically and morally just. Your approach is what's wrong with politics now. Here is an example... What can we do to save our country? What are some solutions? We obviously can't increase taxes to the level it would take to balance the budget. We can't keep writing checks that we can't pay. So bottom line, pterosaur than blame past administrations, what can be done now? Brow beating and fighting aren't going to cut it, not in here and not out there. In trying to "win" we are all going to lose. Honestly, I fear it's too late.
Originally Posted By queenbee <<However, 98% of these "rich" hardworking, self sacrificing people, put their personal lives on hold, took huge risks, and sought higher education to better themselves. Meanwhile the "have nots" were getting married, having kids, drinking beer, going to the movies, and buying the latest brand new Mustang, or whatever else those (like me) of the middle and lower middle class did. Oh we, the "have nots" were not considering any sort of fairness when it was about the effort; when it was about the future heart Specialist MD studying ALL NITE LONG for 10 YEARS so that he or she could operate on the arteries of some guy who chose to get a job at Home Depot, and watch Nascar on weekends during that same period of time.>> Actually, Kevin I would argue that your view of America is what's wrong with politics. Somehow you have been fooled into believing that the rich got where they are due to nothing but hard work. Apparently everyone can be rich if they just educate themselves and weren't so darn lazy. Of course, the evidence doesn't support your view. Let's talk about your assertion that it's sloth that holds the average Joe down. In fact, the productivity of American worker has increased over time and even recently as employers lay off workers and are reluctant to add new permement workers. Productivity of the American worker has steadily increased while their income has steadliy decreased. Some much for your work hard and you'll be rewarded theory. How about education? How's that working out for people? Defaults on student loans are at all time highs. Doesn't sound like a sure fire path to success to me. Clearly there is someting else involved besides hard work and education. In fact, a good bit of it is just luck and circumstance. Sure education and hard work help but thinking that education + hard work = rich; nonsense.
Originally Posted By Tony C Here's the thing, it's not your doctors and lawyers unless your nationally known that aren't the rich. They're well off, but compare them to a CEO of a fortune 500 company and it's nothing.
Originally Posted By wahooskipper Nobody wants to talk about real solutions Kevin. Not people here and certainly not the politicians. I heard the other day that you could take 100% of the income from the 50 riches people in the country and still not put a dent in our national debt. The problem isn't what we are collecting...the problem is what we are spending. And, if you can't touch entitlement programs then the rest is just trimming the bangs of Rapunzel. Having said that, I do believe the rich can afford to pay more (though I'd say 39% of one's income is still hefty no matter how rich you are) and I know we could close many of the plethora of the corporate loopholes. That would be a moral victory, really, but it would be something. And then they can start talking about the entitlement spending after they shut up the naysayers who keep pointing to the rich to solve all of the problems.
Originally Posted By Tony C But we need these entitlement programs. How will the elderly and poor eat or pay for their healthcare?
Originally Posted By Labuda "By Dems I mean party line far left Dems " Party line and far left are not at all close to each other.
