Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 I just don't get the 'tude of not wanting to visit other Disney resorts around the globe by folks who profess to be Disney fans. I can understand someone picking WDW as their first 'Disney vacation' locale. I can even understand them returning a few times. I can't understand people (and there are many) who say they're fans and go to WDW annually or multiple times, yet have never set foot in DL and would sooner be waterboarded then try a resort out of the USA or even taking a DCL vacation. I know it's that chocolate ice cream argument ...
Originally Posted By Manfried "Meanwhile DL has tons of APers and had better upkeep, management, and a better sense of History than our parks." And all most of them do is complain all the time. City Hall constantly has a line from what I hear. They want changes, but if a change is rumored they clamor "Leave it alone!" To them Disneyland is a museum. Never to change. Runs right in the face of what Walt Disney said.
Originally Posted By Manfried "You know what? It's Disney. Minutia is expected to be right, as are greater things." Details in the right places are right, and things should be kept up. But even in the "good old days" there were always things that needed painted and more. Fans are nice, but the overly obsessive ones should step back for a minute and ask themselves if they are loving the Disney parks to death?
Originally Posted By EPCOT Explorer >>>They want changes, but if a change is rumored they clamor "Leave it alone!" To them Disneyland is a museum. Never to change. Runs right in the face of what Walt Disney said<<<< So, because of all those idiotic fanbois in the minority, WDW (and DL) should suffer? Who says that DL listens to them, anyway? They've had quite a few changes over there... ...some that would never fly over here, I might add. >>>Details in the right places are right, and things should be kept up. But even in the "good old days" there were always things that needed painted and more.<<< In the "good ole days" that "more" still existed, but it was certainly a lot less to be fixed. That should have NEVER changed over time for Disney. Never.
Originally Posted By Mr X ***Do ya know what Dave DL and DLP are on my bucket list but the more i read and the more pics i see WDW will allways be the one for me orlando has lots to keep me busy*** You think there's more to do in Orlando than in Los Angeles or Paris!!!!???? Wha?
Originally Posted By disney pete Don't think theres enough in Paris to occupy a 14 night vacation LA would be different as i could go all over Cali in the car.
Originally Posted By Mr X Or aside from a car, you couldn't enjoy France for 14 days even making use of their TGV bullet trains? Somehow Orlando is still preferable? Hard to fathom (in either case!).
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo Well, Paris has loads including if parks are a must - Parc Asterix, Europa Park is a few hours drive away (Busch meets Epcot), the live music venues, science museum, the top tourist spots, medieval provins with cavelry, siege warfare and falconry displays in a 13th century UNESCO village where the people are in costume, the World War I trenches, Normandy enroute (Bayeux Tapestry, DDAY museum), the Champagne Wineries, the Brie markets, ancient villages, Compiegne - home of Napolean and Josephine, real fairytail castles like Pierrefonds, Chantilly (where the Duc De Berry is that inspired the look of the film Sleeping Beauty), the largest Wild Cat park in the world, various Chateau and gardens, the Braille Museum. All this as well as 2 Disney parks, a downtown district, the largest shopping mall in Europe, a Disney PGA Golf Course etc. Ya, really hard to fill 2 weeks. DLP can fill nearly a week of it within a smaller area than WDW. Provins in 35 minutes, Paris 40, Champagne area - Rheims/Epernay 70 minutes.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo and given your love of the Magic Kingdom Pete, I suspect DL & DLP would blow you away! Yes, the MK has some nice things about it, but it has fewer attractions than DL and all of them are pretty much the worst versions than the ones on offer at DL or DLP. Give something new a try, you might like it (they also have better weather, at least in California).
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo And although there are things I like in Orlando, there are some other considerations for California: Universal Studios Hollywood is a real studios, and although there are rides and attractions, the Tram tour is a couple of hours long on real sets! Seaworld San Diego is a proper research and rescue facility on the real coast (not inland) San Diego zoo has the larges collection of plants and animals in the world, including Pandas (though thankfully edinburgh will soon have Pandas too). The Wild Animal Park is also amazing For coasters, Magic Mountain is often the record holder. Plus there is an excellent woodie in San Diego too. Knott's Berry Farm is near Disneyland and there is nothing like it in Florida. Then add the real culture of San Diego, LA and even more importantly, San Francisco. Mix in the natural beauty of Mountains, Desert (Tatooine), Big Trees (Endor) and the coast. as well as every fruit on earth grown in California. Add in less humidity, no flying cockroaches or gators. It is on as a winning option. I give you a hard time Peter because I suspect you would love DL and DLP. And yet you keep going back to WDW. I would like to try the Wizarding World of Harry Potter, but for me, Asia is calling my name.
Originally Posted By disney pete Dave and X maybe you didnt read my post properly yes i will be doing both of them at some point but orlando holds dear to my heart,dont think i could do 14 days in france 1. because it's expensive and 2. im not a lover of the french people but i will go to DLP was even looking to fit a trip there before our baby is born in may we will see.
Originally Posted By Dr Hans Reinhardt >>You think there's more to do in Orlando than in Los Angeles or Paris!!!!???? Wha?<< I seriously can't think of one thing I'd like to see or do in Orlando besides WDW, and yes I'm aware of Islands of Adventure. I'd take the city of Paris any day over Orlando.
Originally Posted By Christi22222 >>I'd take the city of Paris any day over Orlando.<< Words can't describe the dismay that I feel that this ever had to be put in print! No disrespect to Orlando, but seriously....
Originally Posted By u k fan Just to clarify, when I said in an earlier post there was less to do nearby I was literally thinking of just the Val d'Europe area. If you factor in Paris and the wider area then there's a ton of really cool stuff on offer. I haven't been to Parc Asterix in years, but it's a great park with some cool attractions and the staff there were incredibly friendly and helpful in overcoming any language problems, probably moreso than some DLP CMs. We really should do it again sometime instead of treating it as the marker that we're getting close to DLP!!!
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 >>I'd take the city of Paris any day over Orlando.<< <<Words can't describe the dismay that I feel that this ever had to be put in print! No disrespect to Orlando, but seriously....>> Exactly. The self-described City Beautiful is largely a third world hole ... and culturally and historically and so many other ways you can't compare it to Paris (or Hong Kong, Tokyo or even Anaheim/LA). O-Town was a nice small friendly cow and citrus town until the 1980s when EPCOT started a growth boom that has never ended and has resulted in lots of crime, poverty, overdevelopment, traffic and any other ills you can think of when you talk about a place where most people don't have a real education and the average person makes $8-12 an hour working in the service sector. What's worse though is that some Disney fans just won't open their eyes and see that every other resort is run better. But, hey, do you know that you can now buy a WDW tee with a turkey leg on it? (Seriously!)
Originally Posted By u k fan Am I to believe they have the Louvre in Orlando? You'll get crime and poverty pretty much anywhere you go!!!
Originally Posted By bobbelee9 ^^^^Absolutely true, but Spirit made it sound like Orlando had a monopoly on crime.
