Originally Posted By Christi22222 >>Whether we use our points that year or not. Whether we use Disney transportation or drive our own car. I'd say we are covering our costs.<< I've tried everything I can think of in my other posts.....is there anything at all I can say that will get you to understand my (and others) beef isn't that DVC alone is the devil? Whether it is DVC or a hotel room is moot to the issues I'm raising. They are trying to bring too many folks on property for the resources they're prepared to expend. Paying your way for transportation is fantastic. Hence, I said I had no idea if the DVC business plan is better than the cash room plan. But that still doesn't mean that the system isn't maxed out. There is no guarantee that Disney will put the money into transportation upgrades or expansions. They will simply allow it to bust at the seams. I am interested in the DVC info that you share and have knowledge of. But then you throw in comments like this: >>Of course when people talk about DVC expansion they tend to forget that...<< and it feels as though DVC'ers will defensively attack regardless. I am sorry I jumped in on this. I just keep seeing this issue raised and that, even though room capacity is a very relevant issue at Disney, the topic is so immediately brought to combative levels if DVC is mentioned, that no productive discussion ensues.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<But then you throw in comments like this: >>Of course when people talk about DVC expansion they tend to forget that...<< >> Sorry if you found that offensive because it was not meant to be. It is simply the truth. It may not apply to you, but it does to the great majority of people who comment on DVC. And for many people it is probably not that they forgot, but that they never knew in the first place. With Bay Lake Tower it was obvious... the Contemporary is a highly visible WDW icon, and people were sure to notice the destruction of the North Wing prior to the tower being built. But how many people had ever even heard of the Villas at Disney Institute, or much awareness that the units were demolished before Saratoga Springs was built? I will continue to vigorously make my case for DVC because so many people seem to be unaware of many aspects of DVC. If nothing else, it may get people to start talking about too many hotel rooms instead of too much DVC development. Yes, your posts may have said that. But the initial post I was responding to was: <<The odd thing is they dug themselves this hole by building so many DVC rooms.>> Clearly, many on this board love to single out DVC, even those like Spirit who are definitely knowledgeable enough to know better.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip P.S. The Spirit, to his credit, has acknowledged that the problem is too many hotel rooms, not specifically too much DVC. Still, even he like to single out DVC when he talks about the "Timeshare Kingdom of the World". For whatever reason, DVC makes a popular whipping boy.
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^I do like to take shots at WDW by calling it The Timeshare Kingdom of the World ... but not because I think DVC is bad (I don't) or because I think it is the reason why WDW is stagnate and stale (I largely don't here either). That doesn't mean I don't have issues with the overbuilding at WDW. And the conversions would be the worst offenders (said after I just got back from three hours at the WL) ... where one of the topics for discussion was indeed DVC and its affects on Disney. Often, the forcing of DVC onto other existing resorts has made for strange bedfellows ... the BLT may have a kewl locale, but you are mixing one of Disney's top convention/big business hotels with a very demanding clientele with another audience of largely families (and very demanding one due to the extreme cost for the locale) ... all in one resort. Makes no sense to me at all. As to the discounting comment, all I'll say is that discounts are widely available at DVC resorts, often as much as 45% (up to 60% for CMs) and I know many people who snag them at both BLT and DAK Villas, so it isn't just OKW and SS (perpetually available with discounts). I will say WLV and BCV are almost never available ... but the others are. I have much more to say, but have to get up early to go see the most amazing new attraction in town ... the one at IOA with the kid wizard!
Originally Posted By Spirit of 74 ^^stagNANT and stale above ... all this excitement and I can't barely write ... or maybe I'm sad about my final visit to Toontown Fair.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Naw it's not DVC it's just DVCers specifically from the Northern States or something Hey- I resemble that remark... in yet another blind DVC bash...if only they hadn't done DVC units WDW would be better than Tokyo you know ?
Originally Posted By vbdad55 the sensitivty comes from years of farless than thoughtful issues usually- this thread is likely an exception, however even when Lee explained business models to some ( with knowledge to explain them) some bashers chose to blow that off as well. Not sure why it is such an issue. I am still thinking eventually some rooms will close- age/ repair costs etc--and the overbuild between new hotels and DVC will replace that stock. Just a guess on my part--but the accountants do like that up front cash -- what they choose to do with it is the issue..not how they got it.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Besides DVC does not get free dining offers. ----- excellent point MMC-- so we are certainly not the cause of DDP..free dining giveaways. ( yet we are because we are not staying in other hotels andnow they have to bribe people to come ? ) not really buying into that one...if that logic was to work why aren't the restaurants already full of DVC'ers since we are the tried and ture that left the other hotels ?
Originally Posted By RoadTrip It doesn't surprise me at all that BLT and DAK are available at discounts... as the latest resorts neither is sold out yet so Disney has more rooms available for nightly rental. I think you could add the Boardwalk Villas to your list of DVC locations that are almost never available. I've been told repeatedly by DVC staff (while being unable to make a desired BV reservation) that Boardwalk is their most popular resort.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Another thing I don't think many people realize is that members staying on points at DVC resorts only get one full cleaning per week along with one "mini-service" where trash is picked up and towels are replaced. This reduces the demand for housekeeping services which is one of the positions Disney has the most difficult time filling.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>that Boardwalk is their most popular resort.<<< Understandable. It probably has one of the best locations in WDW, especially for frequent guests. >>>Another thing I don't think many people realize is that members staying on points at DVC resorts only get one full cleaning per week along with one "mini-service" where trash is picked up and towels are replaced. This reduces the demand for housekeeping services which is one of the positions Disney has the most difficult time filling. <<< One of my bug bears of timeshares. The Marriott Villas in Europe have daily mini cleans and 2 thorough cleans a week. The American Marriott resorts operate like Disney. But on a balance sheet, you are right, the staffinf is likely less. Also the guest turnover may even be lower, given I suspect DVCers stay longer than some American guests?
Originally Posted By A Happy Haunt RT, you HAD to come back & make me want a DVC didn't ya! I may check this out next year on our Cruise! DH thinks were rich & loves to spend money so maybe
Originally Posted By avimagine Last time I checked you're south of me vb, that would make you a southerner. Also I would have thought after a decadeish of posting here (<- Participated in the Leave Horizons Standing not a sink hole discussions way back when) I would have thought most long time LPers would realize almost everything I say is tongue in cheek.
Originally Posted By vbdad55 Last time I checked you're south of me vb, that would make you a southerner. --- now that's something to ponder especially as 18-24 inches of snow bears down on me to start in about an hour-- 50 mph winds and -25 wind shills tonite-
Originally Posted By avimagine Well the storm is the next town over from me according to my friend... Egh! At least we've been downgraded to about 20"s. Beats Decembers 120"s.
