Originally Posted By mele How did I click on Daannzzz's link and get this instead? LOL <a href="http://www.salon.com/src/pass/sitepass/spon/sitepass_website.html" target="_blank">http://www.salon.com/src/pass/...ite.html</a>
Originally Posted By hopemax It threw me too. It's a welcome screen. There should be a red box in the upper right corner, to "Enter Salon." That will take you to the article.
Originally Posted By SingleParkPassholder This deserves to be spotlighted from the link. Very well put: "When your project is reliant on gaining the support of women whose reproductive rights you would limit, whose access to birth control and sex education you would curtail, whose healthcare options you would decrease, whose civil liberties you would take away and whose children and husbands and brothers (and sisters and daughters and friends) you would send to war in Iraq, Iran, Pakistan, Russia and wherever else you saw fit without actually understanding international relations, I don't feel bad for you. Site Pass Presented by I don't want to be played by the girl-strings anymore. Shaking our heads and wringing our hands in sympathy with Sarah Palin is a disservice to every woman who has ever been unfairly dismissed based on her gender, because this is an utterly fair dismissal, based on an utter lack of ability and readiness. It's a disservice to minority populations of every stripe whose place in the political spectrum has been unfairly spotlighted as mere tokenism; it is a disservice to women throughout this country who have gone from watching a woman who -- love her or hate her -- was able to show us what female leadership could look like to squirming in front of their televisions as they watch the woman sent to replace her struggle to string a complete sentence together. In fact, the only people I feel sorry for are Americans who invested in a hopeful, progressive vision of female leadership, but who are now stuck watching, verbatim, a "Saturday Night Live" skit. Palin is tough as nails. She will bite the head off a moose and move on. So, no, I don't feel sorry for her. I feel sorry for women who have to live with what she and her running mate have wrought."
Originally Posted By vbdad55 <She will bite the head off a moose and move on.< well at least now if I see a moose near the debate stage I can prepare myself for what would ensue
Originally Posted By WorldDisney Just read that article too and also agree. No matter she wins or loses, she will STILL be governor of Alaska and frankly maybe she should just stay Govenor for a few more terms before stepping into a position no way she is qualified for.
Originally Posted By Mr X Somebody's gotta stay up there to keep an eye on those Russians. "Shoo! Get back there!"
Originally Posted By Mr X What would Palin have to do to WIN the debate? How about try and disqualify the moderator?
Originally Posted By chickendumpling As I said with the presidential debate, I'm of the school that, as a general rule, you don't "win" debates, you only lose them. This is Biden's debate to lose. With expectations being so incredibly low for Palin, and knowing how good she is at answering certain types of questions and avoiding others, it's hard to see how she won't be hailed as the "winner." She's young, she's pretty, she's witty. She's going to be able to get away with a LOT more than he will.
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<What would Palin have to do to WIN the debate?>> Exactly what she did.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan I think RoadTrip believes she won. I am interested to see how the polls move. If there's any uptick for McCain whatsoever, then she did "win." I don't think she won over many new converts. But she at least may have stopped the bleeding caused by her bumbling interviews with Katie Couric, and may have eased the nerves of the base, which was no doubt getting pretty sick of seeing her embarassing video clips. Long way to go still ....
Originally Posted By RoadTrip Palin has become a non-issue. Will she bring new voters to McCain? Probably not. But people who support McCain will no longer question their vote because of her. For McCain that is HUGE, and certainly counts as a "win". It's also going to make Tina Fey's job a lot tougher tomorrow night.
Originally Posted By Mr X 0kay, well since we're going down this road... She didn't win. If you want to go semantic then fine...she "succeeded" in not screwing up royally. (as WorldDisney put it, she didn't set the curtains on fire) But will that help? I dunno. Heck, I wouldn't be surprised if McCain suddenly took a 10 point lead on his running mates "stunning" performance. NOTHING would surprise me at this point. But...she didn't "win". Biden won. And deservedly so. He gave the debate of a lifetime, and I for one respect and admire the guy as never before.
Originally Posted By Kar2oonMan >>But people who support McCain will no longer question their vote because of her.<< M'eh, I don't know about that. See the "Bad News for Sarah Palin" thread. This could become the "October Surprise" McCain doesn't need.
Originally Posted By mawnck I am just ... It's just ... I ... I'm speechless. Just when I think that my country's collective IQ might *not* be dropping faster than the stock market ... I cannot for the life of me understand how ANYBODY could have watched the last hour of that debate and still thought that Palin was qualified to be the vice president of the Wasilla Bridge Club, let alone an actual country. Most of her answers were canned, memorized and poorly recited, the cutsie-poo act was OBVIOUSLY not anything within a mile of genuine, and Biden annihilated her on the issues. She ANNOUNCED that she wasn't going to answer the questions. She paraded her Downs syndrome baby around a crowded auditorium at 11 PM. She WINKED at the camera. Three times. And she's running for friggin' VP! VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA! I am completely at a loss. You Repubs are correct ... I just DON'T understand you. I will tell you this, though. I now officially hate Sarah Palin's guts. Hate her and the moose she rode in on. I'm waiting, nervously, to see the poll results. Not the ones about the debate, but the ones about the election. If McCain gets even a microbump out of this, I really am going to have to step away. This is just TOO depressing.
Originally Posted By Dabob2 <But people who support McCain will no longer question their vote because of her.> I wonder what SPP (who said he could support McCain) would say to that? How about it, SPP? If you watched the debate last night, would you no longer question your vote for McCain because Palin did so "brilliantly?"
Originally Posted By RoadTrip <<How about it, SPP? If you watched the debate last night, would you no longer question your vote for McCain because Palin did so "brilliantly?">> Please show me where I said "brilliantly". Also, SPP has NEVER said he supported McCain. He has said that he wouldn't have minded McCain being elected if it weren't for Palin. That is a whole different thing from voting for him. I wouldn't mind EITHER candidate being elected. No matter who wins it is an improvement on Dubya. But that is not SUPPORTING both of them.
