Originally Posted By danyoung >Maybe not sloppy drunks. But someone with a pleasant buzz? I don't think it's all that inappropriate.< Nicely worded.
Originally Posted By pleiades357 In answer to the second Q, yes, clearly. I was and am the oldest sister.. keeping siblings from playing with the stove, walking in front of cars, sticking sharp things in their ears, climbing onto the roof... I suppose I see it as responsibility (as opposed to spoiling fun). Sometimes defined as the ability (and willingness)to respond. I know it is not a popular as it used to be but I think thinking about the well-being of others is one of the things that separate sentient beings from grazing beasts. there is a thin line between the inappropriate "buzz" and being stoned enough stepping out of the car to get a closer look at the Cheshire cat... and lighting up in a tunnel... then there is the issue of driving home... As I said, the medical stats will back me up on this.
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "You have little kids around. Showing a little kid that smoking weed is okay is not right at all and you show by example not by telling" Meh. If I'm allowed a beer in front of kids....
Originally Posted By danyoung >there is a thin line between the inappropriate "buzz" and being stoned enough stepping out of the car to get a closer look at the Cheshire cat... < I think there's a HUGE line between the two. If someone is getting wrecked enough to step out of a moving ride vehicle to check out a passing bit of staging, he's way too wrecked to be out in public. And that's not what I'm talking about (although there's of course no way to tell the condition of the two guys in question in this thread). I'm talking about an APPROPRIATE buzz, a nice happy high to enhance your park storming. I see nothing wrong with that at all.
Originally Posted By SFH Also, it is possible to explain to the kids with you that a behavior is wrong, stupid, unhealthy, illegal, inconsiderate, immoral, evil, fattening, rude, or whatever without talking to the person doing it, or talking to a cast member about it. I'm not saying you shouldn't do those things, just pointing out that we can still tell our children the difference between right and wrong without taking other steps.
Originally Posted By myinnerpeterpan >>>"I'm talking about an APPROPRIATE buzz, a nice happy high to enhance your park storming. I see nothing wrong with that at all." I can't help but to wonder your age. Look if the powers that be at Disney felt that it was necessary to have booze within the parks, they would do so...and in some parks they do. If you feel that you need to be high or buzzed to enhance your enjoyment, then please feel free to do so...SOME PLACE ELSE OTHER THAN A FAMILY ENVIRONMENT. Hello...that's what BARS ARE FOR!!! It all boils down to maturity, social responsibility and respect...oh and lets not forget COMMON SENSE! There is a time and place for everthing.
Originally Posted By mickeymorris1234 <<APPROPRIATE buzz>> There is no such thing. The California Law states that if you are buzzed - YOU ARE DRUNK! Period! Plus using ILLEGAL DRUGS in a FAMILY THEME PARK is 100% INAPPROPRIATE! I don't know why people are debating this. IT IS ILLEGAL at the minimum it is a 700.00 ticket or if they give it to anyone they will go to jail! Smoking in any kind of building in California is ILLEGAL and it is AGAINST DISNEY RULES to smoke OUTSIDE THE SMOKING AREA. So these kids are breaking TWO California laws and the rules CLEARLY STATED BY DISNEY and you don't think there is anything wrong with that! I'm 19 and can tell that is 100% wrong. It doesn't matter if it was in Disneyland or Knotts, it is illegal and you should report it.
Originally Posted By davewasbaloo >>>Look if the powers that be at Disney felt that it was necessary to have booze within the parks, they would do so...and in some parks they do. If you feel that you need to be high or buzzed to enhance your enjoyment, then please feel free to do so...SOME PLACE ELSE OTHER THAN A FAMILY ENVIRONMENT. Hello...that's what BARS ARE FOR!!! It all boils down to maturity, social responsibility and respect...oh and lets not forget COMMON SENSE! There is a time and place for everthing.<<< Funny, my wife and I often share a bottle of wine with dinner at Disneyland Paris, and have been known to do so in Epcot too. It is lovely.
Originally Posted By Dellar411 Okay call me crazy but why anyone would need ANY TYPE OF BUZZ in order to enjoy DL is beyond me. If you have to have something to enhance your experience then your missing it all together! And for the record, if I was to witness someone smoking pot on the DL property you can bet I would let it be known!!!
Originally Posted By Yookeroo "I think there's a HUGE line between the two." Seriously. "If you feel that you need to be high or buzzed to enhance your enjoyment, then please feel free to do so...SOME PLACE ELSE OTHER THAN A FAMILY ENVIRONMENT. " No. "Hello...that's what BARS ARE FOR!!!" And yet, Disney sells alcohol outside of their bars. "It all boils down to maturity, social responsibility and respect...oh and lets not forget COMMON SENSE! There is a time and place for everthing." You mean the maturity of multiple exclamation points and CAPS LOCK (the message board version of shouting)? Common sense? Sure. But I bet there are a lot of people carrying a pleasant buzz that you don't know about because they can handle their alcohol/pot/ecstasy/whatever and are using COMMON SENSE!!!! "<<APPROPRIATE buzz>> There is no such thing." Spoken like someone who has no idea. Ignorance isn't pretty. "The California Law states that if you are buzzed - YOU ARE DRUNK!" I don't particularly care what California law says. Especially when the laws about operating a vehicle where the tolerance for being buzzed is and should be a lot lower than someone riding Alice in Wonderland. "IT IS ILLEGAL at the minimum it is a 700.00 ticket or if they give it to anyone they will go to jail!" Oh noes!!!! You fresh out of the DARE brainwashing? "Smoking in any kind of building in California is ILLEGAL and it is AGAINST DISNEY RULES to smoke OUTSIDE THE SMOKING AREA." I don't think anyone has defended their smoking on the ride. "So these kids are breaking TWO California laws and the rules CLEARLY STATED BY DISNEY and you don't think there is anything wrong with that!" Well, I do think there's something wrong with that. It's pretty inconsiderate to be smoking anything on a ride. But nothing to panic about. "I'm 19 and can tell that is 100% wrong. It doesn't matter if it was in Disneyland or Knotts, it is illegal and you should report it." Yeah, fresh out of DARE. Once you mature a bit, you'll find that DARE propaganda is mostly bull. "Okay call me crazy but why anyone would need ANY TYPE OF BUZZ in order to enjoy DL is beyond me." Who said anything about need? No one has said it was a necessity. Neither is sharing a nice bottle of wine over a nice dinner. I was at the Hollywood Bowl last night, and wine and cheese really made it a nicer experience (and I didn't "miss" a thing). If that's beyond your understanding, I feel sorry for you.
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Originally Posted By MrDisneyGeek the odds of someone anyone being stoned enough on pot to step out of a moving vehicle is pretty low. if it’s just pot by the time you get that stoned you mostly get too sleepy to want to do anything that being said, they should not have been smoking anything on the ride (does Disney even have smoking areas anymore?)
Originally Posted By barboy2 ///I would have said something to them. smoking anthing on a ride seems rude/// Agreed! Nobody should have to be bothered by someone else's body odor, weed smoke, texting/phones or obnoxious behavior. As a guest who is stoned 100% time(from rope drop to fireworks on every visit at every US Disney park) I make sure to never bring pot inside the parks...... I blaze up in hotel rooms so I don't bother others with the smell and smoke. ///....plus it is illegal/// I don't care.
Originally Posted By onlyme >>Also, it is possible to explain to the kids with you that a behavior is wrong, stupid, unhealthy, illegal, inconsiderate, immoral, evil, fattening, rude, or whatever without talking to the person doing it, or talking to a cast member about it. I'm not saying you shouldn't do those things, just pointing out that we can still tell our children the difference between right and wrong without taking other steps.<< You're talking about alcohol, right??
Originally Posted By Princessjenn5795 As I said before, I do not care what any one does (I actually do not think pot should be illegal) but I would still report them for smoking it on a ride as I do choose to have my children around that. I know some of you on here seem to think that not wanting your kids around people smoking pot is synonymous with being a tight a** and that those kids are unreasonably sheltered but I call it responsible parenting. I do not take my kids to place where people smoke cigarettes if I can possibly help it (and since I live in a state where you can't smoke anywhere except casinos it is usually possible) and I do not let them be around people that are drinking excessively. If people were smoking cigarettes on a ride when my kids were also on it I would report that too. There is a smoking section for that and I choose not to take my kids there because it not healthy. If someone were smoking pot in a smoking section I would not care one little bit.
Originally Posted By danyoung >I can't help but to wonder your age.< I'm a healthy and happy 53. Why? Look, I knew this topic would bring out a lot of strong feelings from a lot of people. And that's a good thing - diologue on controversial subjects is a great thing. I know there are some who believe that the only way you should enjoy a Disney park is totally straight, and there's nothing wrong with that. In fact, most of the time that's the way I enjoy them too. But then there are the times when I have a couple glasses of wine with dinner, then 2 or 3 (or maybe even FOUR) martinis at the Rose & Crown, and stroll outside and enjoy the nightly showing of IllumiNations. And to my way of thinking there's nothing wrong with that, either. The subject of pot, on the other hand, opens up a whole nuther can of worms, as it's both illegal and in my opinion greatly misunderstood by many. There's something of a shotgun reaction to smoke with some people - they equate it with coke or meth or heroin or any of a number of also illegal substances. But anyone who is willing to do the research will find that it just isn't so. In fact, pot is in almost every way far less harmful and debilitating than alcohol is. So I say that if someone wants to get high and enjoy the parks, more power to 'em. Again, doing it on a ride is pretty stupid and inconsiderate, but just because they're in a Disney park is no reason to freak out and run for the nearest authority. I'm more than willing to discuss this further with anyone who's willing to participate in a calm manner. Some already seem a bit upset by this subject, and maybe shouldn't stress out further by contributing.
Originally Posted By dsnykid If someone wants to use marijuana, that is their choice, not mine. By doing it in an enclosed public area such as a ride at Disneyland, they are exposing myself and my children to an act that is currently, regardless of your own feelings about the matter, illegal. As a result, the action should have been reported to a cast member and I believe they should have been asked to leave the park. Illegal is illegal and at this point in life, it is illegal to publicly smoke marijuana. It is not currently illegal to drink alcohol in a licensed facility or the privacy of your home if you are of legal age, however if someone were to sneak a beer onto a ride, I would also report them to a CM for their actions, because they do effect others in the park.
Originally Posted By pleiades357 Dellar411, I totally agree. Disneygeek, how do you calculate the odds? What is the exact chemical content of the illegal and unregulated material you are smoking? Did you know that you do not know that? As I have said, the medical statistics show the unfortunate results of pot(and alcohol) mixing with humans and particularly with machinery. I can remember more than a couple mangled individuals who were decidedly under the influence. The service of alcohol I suppose is a measured amount and supervised, I hope, by employees who will not sell to someone who is beginning to show the effects.... one would hope. The "thin line" I was referring to is the line between "buzz" (do some comprehend that buzz is the result of your brain function reducing/detaching form what the rest of us call reality? The degree of which is partially determined by the level of normal function and your baseline of brain chemical balance) and the point at which a person who was clearly not thinking clearly is now not thinking clearly at all and steps out of a caterpillar to get a closer look at the Cheshire Cat... Or worse, putting someone else at risk. Don't contribute if you don't agree? Dear, that is what a discussion is. It is not a "shot gun" response, it is illegal and unhealthy (as alcohol is unhealthy, both less so in limited amounts, read up on it) and out of place at a family amusement park. People who report it do not "freak out", they are acting in a responsible manner to the safety of all involved. You like to indulge, does not make it wise or advisable. The jails and hospitals are full of people who thought what they were doing was a good idea, the ones who survived it that is... Glad to see so many who are responsible.
Originally Posted By Main Street Dad <<If someone wants to use marijuana, that is their choice, not mine. By doing it in an enclosed public area such as a ride at Disneyland, they are exposing myself and my children to an act that is currently, regardless of your own feelings about the matter, illegal. As a result, the action should have been reported to a cast member and I believe they should have been asked to leave the park. Illegal is illegal and at this point in life, it is illegal to publicly smoke marijuana. It is not currently illegal to drink alcohol in a licensed facility or the privacy of your home if you are of legal age, however if someone were to sneak a beer onto a ride, I would also report them to a CM for their actions, because they do effect others in the park.>> Well written.
